The CanaDoper Café (2012 edition of The great, ongoing Canadian current events and politics thread.)

Hear hear.

I think this is a case of just what the writer of that editorial said; that Liberal MPs in Ontario just don’t get it, that they don’t actually represent or speak for all of Canada. In McGuinty’s mind, it seems like basic common sense - Alberta should do whatever is good for Canada, not what is good for Alberta (and I suspect in his mind “Canada” equals “Ontario”). Unfortunately, he seems to have forgotten (or never knew) that the National Energy Policy is a swear word in Alberta, with very few things as likely to trigger such a strong negative reaction.

Here’s the deal. We swap MPP McGuinty in to head the federal, and swap MP McGuinty in to head the provincial party.

Says the NDP supporter :smiley:

Here’s what he said after the Standing Committee on Natural Resources (RNNR)

“They are national legislators with a national responsibility, but they come across as very, very small-p provincial individuals who are jealously guarding one industrial sector, picking the fossil fuel business and the oilsands business specifically, as one that they’re going to fight to the death for,” said David McGuinty.

“They really should go back to Alberta and run either for municipal council in a city that’s deeply affected by the oilsands business or go run for the Alberta legislature,” he said."

He’s an idiot. Of course MPs are focused on local issues and regionally dominate lobby groups. Where the hell has this guy been for the past couple hundred years? Or even the past 30 years if he’s going to say anything about oil and Alberta.

I listened to the webcast of the Nov 20th meeting which is suppose to be focused on Innovation in the Energy Sector. It seems to be fixated on growing the oil sands innovation through relaxation of government requirements on receiving funding for pilot/research projects. I can see frustration happening if the only path for energy innovation put forth by the governing party is oil oriented at the expense of other avenues.

Dr.Doom, I think that was one of the most well written posts I’ve read in a long time.

Just wow. I wonder if all that vitriol would suddenly change if all that oil from Ft.Mac and Cold Lake suddenly started flowing east to the refineries in Ontario?

That’s a hell of a statement given that they hand out dozens of the things every year.

I mean, aside from the weird hyperbole about his Premiership, as if Alberta was some sort of ruined wasteland instead of being a popular place to move to, it’s pretty easy to come up with more ridiculous, trivial, or ill-conceived selections.

Alan Eagleson. I win.

Clifford Olson, I win!

Clifford Olson has never received the Order of Canada, and it cannot be awarded posthumously.

Alan Eagleson, however, is one of four recipients (so far; there is a real possibility of Conrad Black being stripped of his Order of Canada as well.) to have the Order of Canada stripped away from him. Can anyone name the other three without recourse to research?

Good question. I’ve heard rumours that Ontario would be interested in a pipeline going to them instead of BC, who don’t seem to want to have Alberta’s dirty oil sullying their pristine province.

David Ahenhakew’s another, I cannot name the other two.

Did Peter Pocklington ever get an Order of Canada?

For the life of me, every time I read that post I think: “David Ahenakew’s mother got an OC?”

There’s a wiki for that: Removal from the Order of Canada.

The other two are a disbarred lawyer named Sher Singh (whom I’d never heard of), and Steve Fonyo.

Might as well get started on people’s reactions to Justin Trudeau’s comments from two years ago.

Personally, I think it depends which Albertans you’re talking about - I wouldn’t want Rob Anders or Ezra Levant in charge of anything. Naheed Nenshi, on the other hand, is someone who strikes me as having the right stuff.

Telling a lawyer not to do research is like telling a dog not to fart… :smiley:

He was obviously saying what Quebeckers wanted to hear. Now he’s saying what he thinks we all want to hear. Anyway, it’s two years old and I don’t think it’ll get much traction in the press.

Could make a good Conservative attack ad in the future though. If Trudeau wins the leadership and the Liberals win the next election, I’m moving to America! :wink:

Well, at least he was kind enough to specify which country to which his comments were alluding. Did he think perhaps we might misconstrue that he was referring to the Sovereign Nation of Quebec?

I’m wondering about the “Canada - it belongs to us.” Who is this “us” to which he is referring? I don’t feel like I really belong in that “us” in the context of his comments - it almost sounds like he is referring to either the Liberals or Quebecois, or his comment is just a non sequitur.

Reading the remarks I was first thinking: “What an idiot douche!”, but now I learn it was from 2 years ago so I’ll give him slack and giggle at his political faux pas.

You’re running for leader Justin, past stuff like this will bite you in the arse. Go NDP!

I think the “us” is the Quebecois, since he was in Quebec and the preceding statement talked about MPs from Quebec. If you take out the filler: