# The CanaDoper Café, 2013 edition. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 1, 2013, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736 "2013-01-01T03:29:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 100
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/1981 "2013-08-22T02:34:18Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > A quote from the Atheist QOTD: > “Religion is like circumcision. If you wait until someone is 21 to tell them about it they probably won’t be interested.” - Anon > > Most people follow their religion because they have been indoctrinated into it, a form of child abuse, imho. Any form of required head dress, especially when women wear it, is a promotion of servitude and should be discouraged. Should it be outlawed? I’m indifferent to that other than ensuring it only applies to an entire class rather than singling out people based upon skin color, for example. So, removing tax breaks to religious organizations would be a good thing. Telling someone to not wear a religious hat while allowing someone else to wear exposed religious jewelry isn’t, uh, kosher. Heh. Nonsense. Male Sikhs wear turbans not because they’re being subjugated by religion, but because they are respecting their religious customs. The same goes for the hijab. And anyway, how does all of this impact your way of life and why should we even blink an eye at it? ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/1982 "2013-08-22T03:46:36Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > It seems kind of dumb to me - I don’t care if a public servant wears a turban or a cross. As long as they deal with me (and all the others in line, of course) quickly and efficiently when I get to the counter or window, I don’t care if they’re wearing a turban, a cross, a hijab, a yarmulke, or any other religious symbol. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/1983 "2013-08-22T03:54:04Z")
Turbans and hijabs are not the same - if my husband and I visit a fundamentalist Muslim country, he will not be required to cover his head, but I more-or-less will. Female oppression in Canada does affect me; every woman who is oppressed is making it just that little bit worse for all Canadian women. Equal rights for women are a very new thing, and certainly not something that is universal in the world; I think we need to be very careful not to lose them. ETA: You snuck in on me while I was researching, **Spoons.** 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/1984 "2013-08-22T04:00:31Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Turbans and hijabs are not the same - if my husband and I visit a fundamentalist Muslim country, he will not be required to cover his head, but I more-or-less will. > > Female oppression in Canada does affect me; every woman who is oppressed is making it just that little bit worse for all Canadian women. Equal rights for women are a very new thing, and certainly not something that is universal in the world; I think we need to be very careful not to lose them. > > ETA: You snuck in on me while I was researching, **Spoons.** 🙂 So, playing devil’s advocate, years ago I attended a Jewish wedding and was asked to wear a yarmulke. I wore it with pride for my Jewish friends getting married. I didn’t feel oppressed. I rather liked participating in the ceremony. Why would you feel oppressed if you were visiting a Muslim country and were asked to abide by accepted cultural standards? ETA: At the wedding my wife didn’t have to wear any religious headgear. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/1985 "2013-08-22T04:22:00Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > ETA: You snuck in on me while I was researching, **Spoons.** 🙂 Nobody expects the Spoonish Inquisition! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/1986 "2013-08-22T05:17:20Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Nobody expects the Spoonish Inquisition! 😃 Oh dear god. :: thwacks **Spoons** with a wet headscarf :: ---
**Author:** ![straight\_man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/straight_man/32/3027_2.png) [@straight\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/straight_man)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/1987 "2013-08-22T07:47:30Z")
> [@Dr\_Doom](#): > > Sounds like some grumpy woman decided it was time to get bitchy and share her less-than-stellar opinions on some facets of Canadiana. Reeks of attention-seeking IMO. [Margaret Wente](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Wente) is the lovely person who got caught plagiarizing and never apologized, somehow kept her job, and afterward wrote a column about how students these days expect the world handed them on a platter and don’t work hard enough and anyway should only study in lucrative fields. (She has a BA in English.) “Bitchy” doesn’t even begin to describe what a piece of work she is. > [@Leaffan](#): > > So, speaking of which what about Quebec’s apparent proposal to [ban public employees](http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/08/20/pol-cp-quebec-identity.html) from wearing religious symbols? Appeals to bigotry didn’t really help the PQ in the last election, we’ll just have to hope it doesn’t this time, either. (Also, it’s the PQ’s proposal, not “Quebec’s proposal”.) > [@Uzi](#): > > A quote from the Atheist QOTD: > “Religion is like circumcision. If you wait until someone is 21 to tell them about it they probably won’t be interested.” - Anon > > Most people follow their religion because they have been indoctrinated into it, a form of child abuse, imho. The first two assertions could stand some evidence, and the third needs an argument. Care to provide some? In general, using the idea in law that people’s religious choices can be ignored as “indoctrination” is so obviously a justification for oppression that I’m not sure it deserves a counterargument. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/1988 "2013-08-22T11:24:30Z")
> [@straight\_man](#): > > The first two assertions could stand some evidence, and the third needs an argument. Care to provide some? I need evidence to suggest that people who aren’t raised in Jesus are unlikely to become followers? How many convert to Odinism as adults? > [@](#): > > In general, using the idea in law that people’s religious choices can be ignored as “indoctrination” is so obviously a justification for oppression that I’m not sure it deserves a counterargument. Regardless of whether I think it is indoctrination or not doesn’t stop me from ignoring your religion. Have I said you should be oppressed because of your religion? No. And to answer Leaffan as to why I should care. Financially, by not taxing religion, I am effectively forced to subsidize it. Morally, by not standing up to the misogynistic practices that some religions require of their followers, I am effectively condoning them. By condoning them, I allow them to continue. I’ll remember your argument when someone decides that gays shouldn’t be allowed to marry (a very religious attitude). Whether they can or can not, doesn’t affect me in the slightest…at least according to your argument. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/1989 "2013-08-22T12:01:58Z")
> [@EmilyG](#): > > Aww, I love Canadian classical music. John Beckwith’s ‘[Blurred Lines](http://music.cbc.ca/#/blogs/2013/8/Canadian-composition-Blurred-Lines-goes-accidentally-viral-thanks-to-Robin-Thicke)’, from 1997, is enjoying an unexpected revival due to the fact it has the same name as some other song. I’ve no idea if there is a video with naked women planned. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/1990 "2013-08-22T15:27:53Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > John Beckwith’s ‘[Blurred Lines](http://music.cbc.ca/#/blogs/2013/8/Canadian-composition-Blurred-Lines-goes-accidentally-viral-thanks-to-Robin-Thicke)’, from 1997, is enjoying an unexpected revival due to the fact it has the same name as some other song. I’ve no idea if there is a video with naked women planned. You know, the CBC turned into a hard core sex channel so gradually I didn’t even notice! ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/1991 "2013-08-22T16:13:25Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > So, playing devil’s advocate, years ago I attended a Jewish wedding and was asked to wear a yarmulke. I wore it with pride for my Jewish friends getting married. I didn’t feel oppressed. I rather liked participating in the ceremony. > > Why would you feel oppressed if you were visiting a Muslim country and were asked to abide by accepted cultural standards?\ There it is - the “C” word. I’ve decided that I’m tired of people hiding terrible practices under the umbrella of culture. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/1992 "2013-08-22T18:48:32Z")
Just curious, **Cat Whisperer** - do you feel the same way about a Christian nun who wears a veil or wimple? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/1993 "2013-08-22T20:03:59Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Just curious, **Cat Whisperer** - do you feel the same way about a Christian nun who wears a veil or wimple? Good question - I’m going to think about it for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/1994 "2013-08-22T20:09:39Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > There it is - the “C” word. I’ve decided that I’m tired of people hiding terrible practices under the umbrella of culture. Well, sure. I agree. I think we disagree whether or not a hijab is horrible. ---
**Author:** ![EmilyG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/emilyg/32/364_2.png) [@EmilyG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EmilyG)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/1995 "2013-08-22T21:30:09Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > John Beckwith’s ‘[Blurred Lines](http://music.cbc.ca/#/blogs/2013/8/Canadian-composition-Blurred-Lines-goes-accidentally-viral-thanks-to-Robin-Thicke)’, from 1997, is enjoying an unexpected revival due to the fact it has the same name as some other song. I’ve no idea if there is a video with naked women planned. Yes, I’d heard. 🙂 I haven’t heard the piece yet. I should probably try to check it out at some point. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/1996 "2013-08-22T23:29:47Z")
I’ve always liked [this cartoon](http://talatyaq.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/cartoon.jpg) for its dual perspective - just whose is the male-dominated culture, anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2013, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/1997 "2013-08-22T23:34:14Z")
By the way, Zen Pencils just did a lovely series of illustrations of a quotation from [Chris Hadfield - an astronaut’s advice](http://zenpencils.com/comic/106-chris-hadfield-an-astronauts-advice/). ---
**Author:** ![EmilyG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/emilyg/32/364_2.png) [@EmilyG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EmilyG)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2013, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/1998 "2013-08-23T00:17:09Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > By the way, Zen Pencils just did a lovely series of illustrations of a quotation from [Chris Hadfield - an astronaut’s advice](http://zenpencils.com/comic/106-chris-hadfield-an-astronauts-advice/). That’s excellent! Thank you so much for the link. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2013, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/1999 "2013-08-23T01:36:11Z")
So, what’s the consensus on the Justin Trudeau’s pot smoking admission? I would be surprised if anyone of his, my, our generation didn’t try it actually. He’s 9 years younger than me, but really, it’s so prevalent that pretty much everyone has given it a try. I think it’s somewhat refreshing that he told the truth, although perhaps not the whole truth. Kinda reminded me of Paul McCartney’s confession all those years ago. ---
**Author:** ![EmilyG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/emilyg/32/364_2.png) [@EmilyG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EmilyG)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2013, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2000 "2013-08-23T01:39:11Z")
I don’t think there is a consensus. I don’t know if he can actually get in trouble for it. I’m wondering if his admitting to it was a good idea or a bad idea, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736.md?page=99) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736.md?page=101)