# The CanaDoper Café, 2013 edition. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 1, 2013, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736 "2013-01-01T03:29:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 114
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2013, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2261 "2013-10-03T20:37:18Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > from a widely admired hero - Colonel Chris Hatfield (ret.) - to a total monster - Colonel Russell Williams. Cage match!!! ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2262 "2013-10-04T03:32:16Z")
Well, I read Ignatieff’s book so you don’t have to. It’s… well, baffling, in a lot of ways. He contradicts himself a lot, sometimes, I think, inadvertently. I’ll have to stew on this for awhile. ---
**Author:** ![antonio107](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7ea924/32.png) [@antonio107](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/antonio107)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2263 "2013-10-04T05:08:42Z")
[QUOTE=] O Canada! Land of our forefathers, Your head is crowned with glori’us blossoms. For your arm knows how to wield the sword, It carries too the cross. Your story is an epic Of the most brilliant exploits. And your valour, steeped in faith, Will protect our homes and our freedoms, O Canada, we stand on Guard, for thee! [/QUOTE] I’ve written a few anthems of the religious variety, so I figured I’d take a crack tooling around with the syllables in Ministre’s. It leaves something to be desired, but oh well! Version 2.01. My very British organ teacher never ceased to tell me that the beginning “O Canada” was obviously written by a French Canadian, because no self respecting English composer would put the “da” on a downbeat, lol. The tune also sounds as if it were grifted from Mozart’s “Die Zauberflöte,” but I’m sure I mentioned that before. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2264 "2013-10-04T07:48:40Z")
> [@antonio107](#): > > I’ve written a few anthems of the religious variety… > > My very British organ teacher… Keep us posted as to when you’ll have a recital of original and other works. I recall, from previous posts, you mentioning your musical experience. True, I’m only occasionally in eastern Canada, but if it coincides with my schedule … why not try to get there? ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2265 "2013-10-04T13:42:25Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Well, I read Ignatieff’s book so you don’t have to. > > It’s… well, baffling, in a lot of ways. He contradicts himself a lot, sometimes, I think, inadvertently. I’ll have to stew on this for awhile. I tried. [http://www.rickjonescomedy.com/1/post/2013/10/fire-and-ashes-and-cluelessness.html](http://www.rickjonescomedy.com/1/post/2013/10/fire-and-ashes-and-cluelessness.html) ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2266 "2013-10-04T14:28:05Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I tried. > > [http://www.rickjonescomedy.com/1/post/2013/10/fire-and-ashes-and-cluelessness.html](http://www.rickjonescomedy.com/1/post/2013/10/fire-and-ashes-and-cluelessness.html) That was a good read Rick. Thanks for that. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2267 "2013-10-04T14:41:42Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Surely sexual equality means equality of opportunity, not result? Surely you would want Harper to have appointed the best person - male or female - to the post? We need equal opportunity to develop a pool from which the best are selected. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2268 "2013-10-04T14:44:30Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I tried. > > [http://www.rickjonescomedy.com/1/post/2013/10/fire-and-ashes-and-cluelessness.html](http://www.rickjonescomedy.com/1/post/2013/10/fire-and-ashes-and-cluelessness.html) Heh, that was an excellent read. Summed up very nicely my impressions of Ignatieff - though I admit, I’m unlikely to ever read his book. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2269 "2013-10-04T15:32:41Z")
> [@Ike\_Witt](#): > > Cage match!!! I think my money would be on the serial killer … ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2270 "2013-10-04T16:34:45Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > I tried. > > [http://www.rickjonescomedy.com/1/post/2013/10/fire-and-ashes-and-cluelessness.html](http://www.rickjonescomedy.com/1/post/2013/10/fire-and-ashes-and-cluelessness.html) A very well written piece, thanks for that. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2271 "2013-10-04T17:41:06Z")
Interesting. Apparently, Parizeau of all people came out swinging against the Quebec gov’t’s modest proposal: > **[Quebec values charter ‘goes too far,’ says former Parti Québécois premier...](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/quebec-charter-goes-too-far-says-former-quebec-premier-parizeau/article14674313/)** > > Jacques Parizeau says controversy over religious dress only serves federalists’ interests The guy infamous for blaming “ethnics and the money vote” now says the current Quebec Charter “goes too far”, is “frightening” immigrants, and allows federalists to pose as the “real defender” of minorities. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2272 "2013-10-04T18:38:05Z")
“Layton, before he died and was sainted, was justifiably regarded as an opportunistic, manipulative weasel.” Hah! Nice turn of phrase! “And yet it wasn’t a calling to Michael Ignatieff. He entered politics at the age of 59, much older than almost any other politician; by way of comparison, Jack Layton was first elected to office at 32, Stephen Harper at 34.” Let’s not forget that PM Stephen Harper was active in politics as a teenager, and Layton was the Prime Minister of the Quebec Youth Parliament. Your point is very valid, that politics was a calling to both of these men, and very much not Ignatieff. Good review; it doesn’t sound like there were very many surprises in the book (except maybe that Ignatieff is likeable in any way - he seems like a real cold fish). ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2273 "2013-10-04T18:47:27Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > Interesting. > > Apparently, Parizeau of all people came out swinging against the Quebec gov’t’s modest proposal: > > [Quebec values charter ‘goes too far,’ says former Parti Québécois premier Parizeau - The Globe and Mail](http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/quebec-charter-goes-too-far-says-former-quebec-premier-parizeau/article14674313/) > > The guy infamous for blaming “ethnics and the money vote” now says the current Quebec Charter “goes too far”, is “frightening” immigrants, and allows federalists to pose as the “real defender” of minorities. Could someone explain this to me? > [@](#): > > In fact, a newspaper reported on Thursday that the party is weighing removing the right to opt out of the charter from its original proposal. I don’t understand where that fits in with the idea of not allowing people to wear obvious religious symbols in government jobs. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2274 "2013-10-04T19:00:21Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Could someone explain this to me?I don’t understand where that fits in with the idea of not allowing people to wear obvious religious symbols in government jobs. In the original proposal institutions could voluntarily opt out for (I believe) an initial three year period, until presumably, they found a way to replace all the Muslims, Jews, and Sikhs. That was my understanding at least. It’s not a permanent opt-out scenario, just a temporary one. It sounds like they’ve changed their stance on that now. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2275 "2013-10-04T21:04:45Z")
**Rick** , that was an excellent review. Thanks for posting it! ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2276 "2013-10-04T22:08:47Z")
**Cat** , think of it as a mini-notwithstanding clause. Just like the provinces can opt out of certain clauses of the Canadian Charter, the original proposal was that municipalities and hospitals could opt out of the Quebec Charter of Values. Then it turned out that lots of municipalities and hospitals said they would use it, so the Quebec gov’t says it won’t include the opt-out. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2277 "2013-10-04T22:57:55Z")
So everyone wants to opt out of it because they find it so odious, so the government takes that to mean, “Well, don’t give them the opt-out option, then!” That’s some good governmentin’. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2013, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2278 "2013-10-04T23:05:44Z")
A [Globe and Mail report](http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/without-census-data-on-canadian-income-garbage-experts/article14701515/) on how experts view the information garnered from the National Household Survey - “(it) is garbage”. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2279 "2013-10-05T04:07:51Z")
Yet more Freemen occupying places they don’t own: [Freemen-On-The-Land Grande Prairie: RCMP Issue Warning After Movement Members Refuse Eviction](http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/10/04/freemen-on-the-land-grande-prairie_n_4045971.html?ir=Canada+Alberta) ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2013, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2280 "2013-10-05T16:29:52Z")
Gods, I hope that ends well. That’s the last thing we need - well armed wackos who think the law doesn’t apply to them roaming the back country… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736.md?page=113) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736.md?page=115)