# The CanaDoper Café, 2013 edition. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 1, 2013, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736 "2013-01-01T03:29:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 128
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2541 "2013-11-05T19:18:52Z")
After months of casting about desperately to blame someone else we’ve fallen back to blaming everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2542 "2013-11-05T21:06:17Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > I don’t always smoke crack, but when I do it’s in a drunken stupor! > > - [Rob Ford](http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/toronto-mayor-rob-ford-admits-to-smoking-crack-cocaine-1.1528841) Well, that’s alright then. And here everyone was worrying about the mayor of Canada’s largest city being an irresponsible douchebag or something! ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2543 "2013-11-05T21:16:15Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Well, that’s alright then. And here everyone was worrying about the mayor of Canada’s largest city being an irresponsible douchebag or something! Which of us has not accidently smoked a little crack during one of our drunken stupors? He was only unlucky in that someone videotaped it. My house rule is that all cell phones go into a box by the door for just this reason. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2544 "2013-11-05T21:28:37Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > Which of us has not accidently smoked a little crack during one of our drunken stupors? He was only unlucky in that someone videotaped it. My house rule is that all cell phones go into a box by the door for just this reason. Really, any other rule would be foolish. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2545 "2013-11-05T22:06:11Z")
‘One of’ his drunken stupors? I had long assumed it was just one continuous drunken stupor… ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2546 "2013-11-05T22:35:10Z")
“I did that but it was during one of my drunken stupors” is going to be my stock excuse for absolutely everything from now on. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2547 "2013-11-05T23:25:09Z")
Good plan! ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2548 "2013-11-05T23:52:59Z")
[Senators Brazeau, Duffy and Wallin have all been suspended.](http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/senate-votes-to-suspend-brazeau-duffy-wallin-1.2415815) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Lurker\_Above](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dc4da7/32.png) [@The\_Lurker\_Above](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Lurker_Above)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2549 "2013-11-06T00:51:45Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > ‘One of’ his drunken stupors? I had long assumed it was just one continuous drunken stupor… Hey! I’d like to see _you_ maintain a multi-year drunken stupor without fortifying yourself with crack! Though I’d think that meth would have been better for this purpose. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2550 "2013-11-06T02:46:37Z")
Who knows? Maybe there has been meth hid in his madness… ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2551 "2013-11-06T02:56:45Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Really, any other rule would be foolish. As Prince Harry found, the last time he visited Vegas… ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2552 "2013-11-06T03:20:15Z")
Well at least no one is joking about Mel Lastman and snow in winter anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2553 "2013-11-06T03:26:59Z")
Pamela Wallin’s comments are interesting. “It’s a sad day for democracy” she says!? What definition of democracy does she ascribe to? The Senate debated the motion for over 2 weeks then held a vote to suspend her. The result was 52 yeas, 27 nays, and 12 abstentions (including her own) Isn’t that as close to the Senate being a “democracy” as you can get? Secondly, she wasn’t “democratically” elected to the position in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2554 "2013-11-06T04:02:37Z")
This is why I’m glad that the motion was to do everything but kick them out, of I am concerned that if they were kicked out it would cause a constitutional crisis, and if it were found to be permissible in law (because the Senate is supposed to have control of itself), it would set a very bad precedent, for should the Senate become and elected senate, it would give the majority party the ability to toss out elected minority party members. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Lurker\_Above](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dc4da7/32.png) [@The\_Lurker\_Above](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Lurker_Above)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2555 "2013-11-06T04:07:24Z")
> [@Grey](#): > > Well at least no one is joking about Mel Lastman and snow in winter anymore. I’m sure _someone_ will be able to come up with some kind of cocaine/snow joke :D. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2556 "2013-11-06T04:09:49Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > Who knows? Maybe there has been meth hid in his madness… I’ll give this the “Groan of Recognition” it deserves. 🙂 > [@Sparky812](#): > > Pamela Wallin’s comments are interesting. > “It’s a sad day for democracy” she says!? What definition of democracy does she ascribe to? > > The Senate debated the motion for over 2 weeks then held a vote to suspend her. The result was 52 yeas, 27 nays, and 12 abstentions (including her own) Isn’t that as close to the Senate being a “democracy” as you can get? > > Secondly, she wasn’t “democratically” elected to the position in the first place. What are you trying to do, bring logic and rationality into this? ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2557 "2013-11-06T05:52:58Z")
What astounds me in this Senate horseshit is that reporters who have spent their lives digging up dirt like this would think they could get away with it themselves. You’d think they’d know the value of perception. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2558 "2013-11-06T06:09:32Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > What astounds me in this Senate horseshit is that reporters who have spent their lives digging up dirt like this would think they could get away with it themselves. You’d think they’d know the value of perception. I keep thinking that, too - Duffy especially. Wasn’t he the Parliament correspondent for decades? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2559 "2013-11-06T06:12:17Z")
Except part of their argument is that the rules have been so loose that they thought they were in compliance with them; that the rules were tightened up a few years ago and that they’re being judged under the newer rules, not the old ones. I have no idea if that’s true or not, but it bears investigation. Their argument is that the PMO just wanted to get rid of an embarrassment and has leaned on the Tory senators to do the expulsion, without a full investigation. ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2560 "2013-11-06T17:56:42Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Except part of their argument is that the rules have been so loose that they thought they were in compliance with them; that the rules were tightened up a few years ago and that they’re being judged under the newer rules, not the old ones. > > I have no idea if that’s true or not, but it bears investigation. Their argument is that the PMO just wanted to get rid of an embarrassment and has leaned on the Tory senators to do the expulsion, without a full investigation. I agree. My thought is… how much do they really know about they’re own accounting practices? I can’t picture a senator sitting alone in their office at month’s end, sorting through receipts, tabulating all their expenses, filling out mileage claims, etc… Am I wrong to assume that they employ someone who takes care of all the mucky-muck paperwork such as taxes, bills, expense claims, etc…? Say, someone who knows all the ins and outs, rules and regulations, and is experienced in such matters? I can however, picture someone presenting them with reports, paychecks, expense claims, etc. to sign. I can also imagine someone advising them on how it is possible to claim the living expense allowance by suggesting a means to make them eligible. “Don’t worry about it.” “You’re not the only one, everyone does it” “They’ve been doing this for years” “They’d have to go back and investigate eveyone.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736.md?page=127) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736.md?page=129)