# The CanaDoper Café, 2013 edition. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 1, 2013, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736 "2013-01-01T03:29:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 144
**Author:** ![bashere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@bashere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bashere)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2861 "2013-12-02T01:52:44Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > Can you please find my quotes on this topic? > > I’m having a hard time remembering supporting Doug Ford, and what numbers are you talking about? > > I would like to see my quotes. I’m not without fault, but could you please be more specific? > > Thanks. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16324189&postcount=1225](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16324189&postcount=1225) You mentioned that Doug (a first time councillor from Etobicoke) had painted a fairly rosy picture. We can better answer your questions now, since the actual numbers have come in: Ford has “saved” not the billion he claimed, but about $400 million. Awesome numbers! Except that using the same math, Miller saved…$600 million (whether this is even vaguely appropriate math to use can be debated, but, using the same numbers, Ford has been a spendthrift). The next problem is the dreaded Scarborough Subway. 100 million and climbing in cancellation costs, an additional 1 billion in costs to the city, and all the operating costs to be born by the city (instead of uploaded to the province). So, not only is Rob Ford not finding the efficiencies that Miller found, he is costing, well, 1.1 billion more (that’s cost to the city; the feds and province are kicking in more cash, too), plus ongoing operating expenses. Oh, I’m wayyyy too lazy to pull a cite for this, but Bloomberg (the rating firm, not the former Mayor of New York) is claiming that Ford’s antics make bond holders anxious enough that he tacks on a bias point. This works out to about $250k/year. Not enough to worry about, really, but Ford campaigned on waste far, far below those levels. Oh, as mayor, he has also had the ability to put holds on things. He has repeatedly put holds on trivial, nonsense things (stop lights in neighbourhoods, etc) that usually sail through, in order to punish his enemies. His doing so has shocked long time councillors. Yes, there is a small dollar amount associated with this (in the hundreds of thousands) since these things do get debated. You know, you’re being fairly gracious about this, but in the area around the comment I linked above, you mentioned that Toronto press had a liberal bias. And you know what, the Star might. But, at this point, the Star, The Globe and Mail, the Sun, and the National Post all agree that from a financial perspective, Ford is…bad. The thing is, none of this is a surprise. He smoked crack. He got drunk, beat up his wife (and no, that’s not proven in court - but where there’s this much smoke there’s fire, and…not everything makes the papers), abused staff members while dead drunk, sent staff members to buy him vodka on approximately a daily basis, got drunk in his office, refused to read any of the rules of his job. That he made mistakes that cost, well, over a billion isn’t a surprise. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2862 "2013-12-02T02:14:15Z")
You’re incorrectly projecting a lot of bias towards me, perhaps because of my username. I’ll bow out now, but seriously, maybe you are \*misremembering \*my posts. I suggest you do a bit more homework before slandering me again. ---
**Author:** ![bashere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/779978/32.png) [@bashere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bashere)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2863 "2013-12-02T02:17:43Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > You’re incorrectly projecting a lot of bias towards me, perhaps because of my username. > I’ll bow out now, but seriously, maybe you are \*misremembering \*my posts. > > I suggest you do a bit more homework before slandering me again. I linked to your posts. I am not, really, particularly attributing a lot of bias to you; you asked to show you the money - I’m showing you the money. Perhaps you’d care to back up that accusation of slander? ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2864 "2013-12-02T02:39:06Z")
> [@bashere](#): > > Hey, that reminds me - did you ever find those “really impressive numbers” Rob Ford was talking about? You know, when you were talking about what a great guy he is? > [@bashere](#): > > I linked to your posts. I am not, really, particularly attributing a lot of bias to you; you asked to show you the money - I’m showing you the money. > > Perhaps you’d care to back up that accusation of slander? Sure. I never said anything like the above. I was looking for factual numbers back in May: that’s all. Never once did I say that Rob Ford was posting “really impressive numbers.” What I did say was: > [@](#): > > Doug Ford gave a speech the other day with some impressive fiscal numbers. > > Hey, I’m not defending the mayor by any means over the crack cocaine allegations, and I could be completely mistaken here, but fiscally, what do the numbers show? How is he fairing? > > Show me the money! I was asking for budget numbers, and none were provided. Can we kiss and make up now? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2865 "2013-12-02T03:32:11Z")
It’s the first of December. I’m for every Canadian going outside into the snow and kissing the first person they see. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2866 "2013-12-02T03:41:22Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > It’s the first of December. I’m for every Canadian going outside into the snow and kissing the first person they see. {{{smootch}} ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2867 "2013-12-02T06:06:12Z")
How about this? [Ron Burgundy joins TSN for Canadian Curling Trials](http://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/ron-burgundy-joins-tsn-for-canadian-curling-trials-1.1569275) Gotta admit, it’s a great way to promote Ferrell’s new movie to Canadians! ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2868 "2013-12-02T07:17:27Z")
Funny stuff, for sure. My niece is playing in the tournament though; not so funny any more. Please put your Canadian votes behind the Homan rink!! ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2869 "2013-12-02T14:51:25Z")
**Bashere, Leaffan** , if you want to squabble, take it to the Pit. **twickster** , MPSIMS moderator ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2870 "2013-12-02T15:18:55Z")
Kissing is squabbling? Who’d a thunk it? ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2013, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2871 "2013-12-02T15:37:01Z")
Looks like we’re having the first snowstorm of the year. I’m having coffee while watching the morning news, and the news is full of school closures, road closures, and warnings not to go out unless you absolutely have to. My day will be spent in my home office, but if any of my fellow Albertans have to go out, dress warmly and stay safe! ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2013, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2872 "2013-12-03T00:06:45Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > **Bashere, Leaffan** , if you want to squabble, take it to the Pit. > > **twickster** , MPSIMS moderator Ooh, you guys are going to get sent to the Penalty Box! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2013, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2873 "2013-12-03T00:33:43Z")
And in other news, [blizzard. Fuck.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlE368T5Saw) I took this video on my walk today. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2013, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2874 "2013-12-03T00:53:23Z")
How is that a blizzard? You can see the other side of the street! All those years in Calgary have made you soft. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2013, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2875 "2013-12-03T01:08:56Z")
That was in a park that was protected from the wind! But yes, you are right about getting soft, though. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2013, 12:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2876 "2013-12-03T12:38:38Z")
20 cm overnight, and still more falling in TBay. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2013, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2877 "2013-12-03T13:34:33Z")
Rain, rain and more rain. At least I don’t have to shovel! ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2013, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2878 "2013-12-03T18:32:39Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > Ooh, you guys are going to get sent to the Penalty Box! 😃 2 minutes by yourself, you feel shame… but then you go free! New record! My backyard rink was up and running Dec. 1 this year! Bah! Lost the race to the artificial Rink of Dreams at City Hall by two days! Neighbourhood kids were all over for a game/skate on Sunday. Good Times! ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2013, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2879 "2013-12-03T20:11:58Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > Rain, rain and more rain. At least I don’t have to shovel! The snow has basically stopped now - now we have to go shovel. In the -300ºC temperatures. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![gregorio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/fbc32d/32.png) [@gregorio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gregorio)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2013, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/2880 "2013-12-03T21:23:26Z")
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