# The CanaDoper Café, 2013 edition. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 1, 2013, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736 "2013-01-01T03:29:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2013, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/941 "2013-04-19T16:47:18Z")
> [@Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](#): > > To be fair to Justin T, I can’t think of a single case in human history where a child following in their father’s footsteps has done a worse job than their parent, no matter what the vocation was. I guess that depends on what your criteria are for ‘worse’. ---
**Author:** ![Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dread_pirate_jimbo/32/3897_2.png) [@Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dread_Pirate_Jimbo)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2013, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/942 "2013-04-19T17:00:05Z")
> [@Cyros](#): > > I guess that depends on what your criteria are for ‘worse’. > > Last edited by Cyros; Today at 10:48 AM. Reason: I’d say George B. would be an arguable case. The Bush family? George H.W.: One-term president, failed to kill the villain Saddam Hussein. George W.: Two-term president, successfully killed Saddam Hussein and utterly defeated all terrorists in the world. ---
**Author:** ![detop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bcef8e/32.png) [@detop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/detop)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2013, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/943 "2013-04-19T17:04:27Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > \ _Pierre with Hair_, not so much Actually around here, he’s better known as _le p’tit crisse_. Him being born on Christmas day after all. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2013, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/944 "2013-04-19T17:29:01Z")
> [@Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](#): > > To be fair to Justin T, I can’t think of a single case in human history where a child following in their father’s footsteps has done a worse job than their parent, no matter what the vocation was. > [@Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](#): > > The Bush family? George H.W.: One-term president, failed to kill the villain Saddam Hussein. George W.: Two-term president, successfully killed Saddam Hussein and utterly defeated all terrorists in the world. 😃 10/10 for wry, subtle and bang on target. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/945 "2013-04-19T17:39:38Z")
> [@Dread\_Pirate\_Jimbo](#): > > The Bush family? George H.W.: One-term president, failed to kill the villain Saddam Hussein. George W.: Two-term president, successfully killed Saddam Hussein and utterly defeated all terrorists in the world. 😃 I did say it was arguable. ---
**Author:** ![Waenara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@Waenara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waenara)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/946 "2013-04-19T17:56:25Z")
Apparently, [JT is going to introduce a motion](http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/trudeau-comes-to-aid-of-muzzled-conservative-backbenchers/article11418337/) to strip party whips of their power to decide which MPs are allowed to make members’ statements in the House of Commons. His basic proposal is that, instead of the whip submitting a list of MPs who are approved to make statements, every MP will be allowed to speak on a rotating basis (alphabetically). Frankly, I think this is pretty brilliant (and I didn’t vote for either the Libs or the Cons in the last election). Harper had been saying how they wanted a more open and transparent government, but he keeps the muzzle on his crazier backbenchers. Allowing every MP to get a chance to make members’ statements can only work to the Liberals advantage. They get to show that they’re in favor of empowering MPs to represent their constituents’ view in Parliament. And if it leads to a couple crazy Conservative backbenchers making remarks that are embarrassing for their party, then I’m sure Trudeau wouldn’t mind. As much as Harper says that he’s holding his party reins and won’t be introducing legislation about hot button topics like abortion, I think there are a lot of people who don’t take him at his word about that. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2013, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/947 "2013-04-19T18:04:34Z")
So crazy Liberal backbenchers would never make embarrassing remarks for their party? Get real. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2013, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/948 "2013-04-19T18:49:49Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > So crazy Liberal backbenchers would never make embarrassing remarks for their party? > > Get real. Of course they would. But it’s irrelevant, since the motion will never pass, and the entire point of introducing it is to force the Tories to vote against it so the Libs can say that Harper’s afraid of his own backbenchers and look he forced those backbenchers to vote in favour of their own muzzle. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2013, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/949 "2013-04-19T18:50:09Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > So crazy Liberal backbenchers would never make embarrassing remarks for their party? > > Get real. That’s exactly what I was thinking - it sounds like a great idea on paper, but I don’t think it will go well in the long run. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2013, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/950 "2013-04-19T20:36:40Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > You’ll get used to it. We have a fairly major politician named Jason, which is not only a very similar name but is equally recent in popularity; “Jason” really only was becoming popular as a boys’ name around the time Jason Kenney (b. 1968) and Justin Trudeau (b. 1971) were born. Both Justin and Jason were essentially nonexistent as boys’ names until the mid-60s, but Jason took off maybe a year or two earlier. > > Once he’s been around awhile people will become accustomed to it. > > As to his skill for being Prime Minister, he doesn’t seem to stand for much, but I’m not sure what Stephen Harper stands for anymore, either. If I had to sum up what Stephen Harper stands for in a word, I’d say “management”. It’s both his strength and his weakness - his strength, in that Canadians seem to want a strong hand at the helm, and he appears fully willing to surpress any of his more ideological party members intent on upsetting the apple-cart; his weakness, in that he’s widely seen as having no particular scruples other than expediency and as dictatorial. In general, Canadians appear to tolerate rather than like him. At best, he’s like the hard-assed boss everyone dislikes and fears, but on whom one can rely to keep the business churning along. Trudeau has the charisma to inspire liking, but few have any confidence in his ability to manage. So it comes down to charisma versus management - given that neither are overburdened with a consistent and coherent ideological motivation. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/951 "2013-04-20T01:24:40Z")
It seems the attack ads weren’t such a good idea; [Trudeau attack ads backfire](http://www.ipolitics.ca/2013/04/19/trudeau-attack-ads-backfired-poll/), from the Globe and Mail. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/952 "2013-04-20T01:48:11Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > It seems the attack ads weren’t such a good idea; [Trudeau attack ads backfire](http://www.ipolitics.ca/2013/04/19/trudeau-attack-ads-backfired-poll/), from the Globe and Mail. I don’t find that too surprising; I’d be curious to know how many people thought less of the Conservatives because of these ads. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/953 "2013-04-20T03:57:33Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > It seems the attack ads weren’t such a good idea; [Trudeau attack ads backfire](http://www.ipolitics.ca/2013/04/19/trudeau-attack-ads-backfired-poll/), from the Globe and Mail. > [@](#): > > A poll conducted by EKOS between Wednesday and Friday of this week found that 84 per cent of respondents found the ads were negative and 71 per cent said the ads didn’t affect their view of Trudeau. Among those who said the ads did affect their view of the new Liberal leader, 16 per cent said it improved their view of him while only 9 per cent said it had the negative impact the Conservatives had intended. 71% said it didn’t change their view. 16% said it improved their view of Trudeau. 9% said it had a negative impact. So, overall a 7% improvement for the Liberals. But if you look at the [poll](http://www.ekospolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/full_report_ad_april_20_2013.pdf) itself, it says: > [@](#): > > The ads were widely recognized. More than one-third of respondents claimed to have already seen the ads and, of those who had not, about as many had heard of them. The most common source was television (67 per cent) although a significant number saw them online (43 per cent). **The highest rates of viewership were in Ontario and among those who voted Liberal in the last election.** Right at the bottom of page 1. Bolding is mine. I’m not convinced that the ipolitics post accurately tells the complete story. ETA: That’s some fancy reporting there when your poll consists mainly of Ontario Liberals. ---
**Author:** ![Waenara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@Waenara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waenara)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2013, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/954 "2013-04-20T17:10:20Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Of course they would. But it’s irrelevant, since the motion will never pass, and the entire point of introducing it is to force the Tories to vote against it so the Libs can say that Harper’s afraid of his own backbenchers and look he forced those backbenchers to vote in favour of their own muzzle. This. I don’t really think the motion has any chance of passing, and if it did it would cause embarrassing moments for all parties (although IMHO probably a little more for the Conservatives than the others). But rather than the usual case of Conservatives saying they’re for openness and transparency and then not doing anything about it, now they’ll have to actively vote against it (and force their own backbenchers to vote against their own self interest, for the good of the party). The Liberals will use that as ammunition against them. I just thought it was a pretty shrewd maneuver by Trudeau, who is relatively inexperienced politically. Who knows if it was actually his idea or not, but he’s the one proposing it. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/955 "2013-04-21T23:11:07Z")
Standing in the beer line at the Junos. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/956 "2013-04-21T23:12:38Z")
It is a madhouse. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/957 "2013-04-21T23:18:03Z")
Cool! My Junos were last night; a couple of friends won for best jazz and best classical recording. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/958 "2013-04-21T23:20:44Z")
Almost at the bar now c ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2013, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/959 "2013-04-21T23:21:15Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Standing in the beer line at the Junos. Have one for me! > [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > Cool! My Junos were last night; a couple of friends won for best jazz and best classical recording. Super cool! ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2013, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/960 "2013-04-22T00:45:51Z")
Sitting near the stage that Carly Jepson was just on; place is hopping; Kory Sheets did crowd warm-up for Bublé. Now in the popcorn line - which is longer than the beer line?!? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736.md?page=49)