# The CanaDoper Café, 2013 edition.

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [January 1, 2013, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736 "2013-01-01T03:29:31Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\
**Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/141 "2013-01-15T01:39:00Z")

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> [@Lord\_Feldon](#):
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> [This page](https://www.ontario.ca/driving-and-roads/get-g-drivers-licence-new-drivers) makes it sound like it’s in effect all the time:
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> But it also says that you can drive on any road with a certified instructor.

Can’t compare British Columbia to Ontario. Driving is a provincial jurisdiction, not federal.

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**Author:** ![keeganst94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a6a055/32.png) [@keeganst94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keeganst94)\
**Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/142 "2013-01-15T02:46:39Z")

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Huh? You said you didn’t know the nuances of the Ontario system, and that link is to an Ontario government site. Also, what he said is right. You can’t drive on a 400 highway unless you’re with an instructor.

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**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\
**Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/143 "2013-01-15T04:16:01Z")

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> [@keeganst94](#):
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> Huh? You said you didn’t know the nuances of the Ontario system, and that link is to an Ontario government site. Also, what he said is right. You can’t drive on a 400 highway unless you’re with an instructor.

Looked to me like an apples and oranges post. You can do this in BC; you can do this in Ontario. I’m willing to accept I’m wrong. No big deal. But that was my interpretation.

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**Author:** ![keeganst94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a6a055/32.png) [@keeganst94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keeganst94)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/144 "2013-01-16T03:23:20Z")

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No, you’re right. I missed the quoted bit.

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**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/145 "2013-01-16T04:44:54Z")

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> [@Soylent\_Juicy](#):
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> How long has Chief Theresa Spence been on her “hunger strike”? I don’t know about you guys, but I once had the stomach flu and couldn’t eat anything more solid than ginger ale and water and I lost a pound a day and looked like hell. She looks perfectly fine and healthy.

I think it’s pretty much understood by all but the most woolly-headed that Spence is a joke. It’s a shame that her ridiculous hunger-strike-that-isn’t (like Leaffan, I do not for an instant believe she’s even limiting herself to broth) is taking attention away froma legitimate problem.

Spence is in Ottawa on her bullshit protest to run away from the plain fact that many of the problems in Attawapiskat are **her fault** , or at the very least she’s proven unable to much help the situation. Why do you think she’s changing her demands every now and then? It’s so she can stay in Ottawa and distract attention for her own role in the plight of the people she doesn’t work very hard to serve.

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**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/146 "2013-01-16T05:03:42Z")

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[Bobby Sands](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Sands#Death) died after hunger striking for 66 days. Theresa Spence has been “hunger striking” for half that duration now and is still overweight.

Draw your own conclusions.

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**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/147 "2013-01-16T21:52:56Z")

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> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#):
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> How many people who took a road test in rural Saskatchewan know how to merge onto the 401?

I know a bunch of Torontonians (mostly Chinese) who did their road tests in Simcoe, Ontario (population ~15,000) rather than risk failing in the Big Smoke. My wife took the honourable route and settled for failing two or three times.

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**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/148 "2013-01-16T22:13:44Z")

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> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#):
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> The government and citizens of Canada seem quite content with driving being as dangerous as it is, with the focus on improving the safety of cars, but not the drivers.

Well, you hit upon part of the problem right there, albeit in error; it has nothing to do with the government of Canada. It’s a provincial matter (or, for people in the USA, a state matter; if anything, in Canada the national government actually has LESS control over this sort of thing) and so the provinces aren’t willing to do too much to make it harder to get a license lest the voters go berzerk.

That said, you’re complaining about a safety problem that is getting _better,_ not worse. Canada’s per capita rate of motor vehicle fatalities has been shrinking for decades and is less than half of what it was in the 70s.

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**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/149 "2013-01-16T22:45:46Z")

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> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#):
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> How many people who took a road test in rural Saskatchewan know how to merge onto the 401?

Judging by how they merge onto Circle Drive, not very many.

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**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\
**Post date:** [January 16, 2013, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/150 "2013-01-16T23:26:13Z")

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Merging onto the 401? Suave Torontonians make sure their cars a lubed and then just slide their way in like a politician with a prostitute, wereas cowboys from the west just point and shoot.

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**Author:** ![KSO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@KSO](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KSO)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/151 "2013-01-17T01:43:30Z")

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My permanent permanent residency card finally arrived!!!🆒

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**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/152 "2013-01-17T01:58:17Z")

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> [@KSO](#):
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> My permanent permanent residency card finally arrived!!!🆒

Cool. Where are you from? How long have you been here? Where in Canada do you reside? What do you do for a living?

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**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/153 "2013-01-17T02:36:24Z")

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> [@RickJay](#):
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> \<snip\>
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> That said, you’re complaining about a safety problem that is getting _better,_ not worse. Canada’s per capita rate of motor vehicle fatalities has been shrinking for decades and is less than half of what it was in the 70s.

“Better” doesn’t mean “good.” We have a long way to go still.

> [@KSO](#):
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> My permanent permanent residency card finally arrived!!!🆒

Yay!

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**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/154 "2013-01-17T02:43:24Z")

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Karnak says initially Connecticut and now Toronto; corporate and commercial transactions and litigation.

It’s really neat how Immigration Canada posts everything you could ever want to know about new landed residents.

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**Author:** ![jools](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b3f665/32.png) [@jools](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jools)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/155 "2013-01-17T02:50:18Z")

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**KSO**

Cool, welcome to this great big land!

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**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/156 "2013-01-17T03:08:42Z")

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Homorous. You take the Zamboni for a spin and clean up the ice.

I haven’t played enough to know the outcome: if any.

But thanks Google.

Does [Google.com](http://Google.com) display the same thing? I can’t get there from here.

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**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/157 "2013-01-17T03:16:42Z")

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My school getting a Zamboni freed us from indentured servitude pushing wide shovels and carrying watering cans. ¡Viva la Zamboni Revolución!

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**Author:** ![Moonlitherial](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4bbf92/32.png) [@Moonlitherial](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonlitherial)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/158 "2013-01-17T14:32:03Z")

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> [@AHarris](#):
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> You appear to be right. I missed the ‘or’ in the first poster’s post. That is pretty silly imho.

G1 is a learners permit. To get that you only need to pass a written test, this is the level you get so you can prepare for the drivers test and the drivers test does not use 400 series highways.

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**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/159 "2013-01-17T15:05:45Z")

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> [@Muffin](#):
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> My school getting a Zamboni freed us from indentured servitude pushing wide shovels and carrying watering cans. ¡Viva la Zamboni Revolución!

Was it a Zamboni or a made-in-Canada Olympia ™ brand ice resurfacer? According to Wikipedia, Olympia’s market share in North America is 70%.

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**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2013, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2013-edition/645736/160 "2013-01-17T15:12:17Z")

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Zamboni. Olypmia didn’t even exist back then.

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