# The Canadoper Café 2024 is now open! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 1, 2024, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432 "2024-01-01T03:30:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/221 "2024-06-22T02:30:26Z")
The OSC was not properly maintained. I will be fair - it was neglected by both Conservative and Liberal governments over the years. That being said, the entire thing is suspiciously convenient for the Ford government, who have already given away Ontario Place so that an Austrian company can build a private spa. Then, Ford had the bright idea of moving a miniature version of the Science Centre to the former Ontario Place site, saying they’d use the OSC site for housing. There has been minimal public consultation on all of this. Now, the Science Centre has to be closed on a Friday in June. But wait! There’s more! The Ford government refused to fund repairs to the OSC in 2022. For those who would argue that they wanted to save taxpayers’ money, there’s the troubling fact that the government has spent more than that on partisan advertising. And Ford’s developer friends are lining up. I can’t believe Ontario was stupid enough to elect this corrupt prick once, let alone twice. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/222 "2024-06-22T06:33:04Z")
A sad day. I have many happy memories of the Science Centre, ranging from childhood (my first visit was in 1969) through later years, when they had a weekly movie in the auditorium. A month would be concert movies, the next month would be science-fiction, the next month would be who knows? They hadn’t thought that far in advance. But it would be something. For a poor university student like me, it made for an inexpensive date night. I think it was a dollar to see the movie, and then my girlfriend and I would go for pizza at her favourite pizza place in Scarborough. I was last there about four years ago, in June of 2019. I had a free afternoon, so why not? It had changed a lot, but was still an enjoyable place to visit, and I had a lot of fun, just like in the old days. And unlike when I was a child, they gave me the seniors’ discount. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2024, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/223 "2024-06-22T10:58:18Z")
I’ve been going to the Science Centre my entire life, from my own visits as a kid and then taking my own there. My kids visited virtually every week for years with my father-in-law. This city and province is now a poorer place with the impending loss of both the Ray Moriyama designed building, the contents, and the love of science it has inspired in kids for the last 55 years. I place the blame squarely on Doug. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2024, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/224 "2024-06-23T00:01:44Z")
Nenshi wins Alberta NDP leadership in a landslide: 62,746 Votes out of 72,930 votes cast > **[Former Calgary mayor Naheed Nenshi named Alberta NDP leader in landslide...](https://globalnews.ca/news/10582416/alberta-ndp-leader-results-nenshi/)** > > Alberta’s New Democratic Party has found a new leader in former Calgary mayor Naheed Nenshi. Nenshi was elected with 62,746 votes. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2024, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/225 "2024-06-23T00:57:18Z")
I know there are some big Orange supporters in Calgary and Edmonton, but can they kick the UCP and Smith to the curb? ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2024, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/226 "2024-06-23T01:28:35Z")
Please??? ---
**Author:** ![K364](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k364/32/5_2.png) [@K364](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/K364)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2024, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/227 "2024-06-23T02:15:21Z")
Suggestion to them: rebrand yourself as Social Democrats or something like that and disassociate yourselves from the federal NDP. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2024, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/228 "2024-06-23T02:48:35Z")
Nenshi is working on that: > **[Braid: Notley blasts plan to divorce from federal NDP, as leadership vote...](https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/braid-rachel-notley-blasts-split-federal-ndp-opposing-naheed-nenshi)** > > Outgoing Alberta NDP Leader Rachel Noltey says a split from the federal NDP would be silly, superficial — an indirect blast at Naheed Nenshi ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Finn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/34f0e0/32.png) [@Mark\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mark_Finn)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2024, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/229 "2024-06-23T20:48:06Z")
An interesting by-election coming up in Toronto St Paul’s tomorrow (Monday, June 24). It’s been a Liberal stronghold for the last 30 years. [Toronto—St. Paul’s | 338Canada](https://338canada.com/35111e.htm) ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/230 "2024-06-24T01:02:42Z")
Polls are open 8:30-8:30, I’ll be walking over at lunch most likely. This was my daughter’s first election as a newly-minted adult. She voted at the advanced poll since she is off to her summer job. Incidentally, there are 85 candidates on the ballot. Almost 80 of them have the same official agent and it is a “protest” against First Past the Post elections. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2024, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/231 "2024-06-24T02:36:40Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > This city and province is now a poorer place with the impending loss of both the Ray Moriyama designed building, the contents, and the love of science it has inspired in kids for the last 55 years. I place the blame squarely on Doug. I remember when it opened. _Toronto Life_ did a whole feature on the Moriyama architecture. I learned from that that the Centre is actually three separate and distinct buildings: the main entrance building, the building where the auditorium and Great Hall were (and the Space exhibition hall), and the valley building (Life, Communications, the Science Arcade). They don’t seem separate because of the catwalks and escalators, but they are. Any idea which building has the roof problems? I remember how it was publicized on its opening. Maybe it’s why the Centre fascinated us kids right into adulthood. The marketing went like this: > [@](#): > > Make a list of all the rules that museums have. > > Things like, “Don’t touch,” “Don’t get too close,” and “Don’t go beyond the velvet rope.” > > Got your list? Good. > > Now, crumple it up and throw it in the wastebasket. > > Welcome to the Ontario Science Centre. Are there any plans for the buildings/site? I would hate to think that the Centre is to be torn down, and the land developed into condos. I agree; Doug is squarely to blame. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2024, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/232 "2024-06-24T09:59:28Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > They don’t seem separate because of the catwalks and escalators, but they are. Any idea which building has the roof problems? I believe it’s the main entrance building. The connecting bridge is also structurally unsound, so they have a shuttle bus which transferred visitors from the main building to Building B with the Great Hall. > [@Spoons](#): > > Are there any plans for the buildings/site? I would hate to think that the Centre is to be torn down, and the land developed into condos. I agree; Doug is squarely to blame. The problem is that most of the building is in a flood plain. The east side of the site along Don Mills Road may be buildable, but a lot of it can’t be used for residential purposes. And yes, Dougie wants this building to die. Back in the late eighties I worked at a photo lab and we did all the work for Moriyama and Teshima where I had the pleasure of meeting Ray Moriyama a number of times. They designed some beautiful buildings. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2024, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/233 "2024-06-25T12:31:45Z")
Well, those odds from 338 certainly didn’t come through… > **[Conservatives win longtime Liberal stronghold Toronto-St. Paul's in shock...](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/byelection-polls-liberal-conservative-ballot-vote-1.7243748)** > > Conservative candidate Don Stewart has won the longtime federal Liberal stronghold of Toronto-St. Paul's, a stunning result that raises questions about Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's future. I hope M. Trudeau is considering stepping aside for someone else before the next election. I don’t understand the animosity, myself, but then, I also don’t understand how anyone can back Pierre Poilièvre. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2024, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/234 "2024-06-25T14:00:41Z")
Yikes! Heard about it, wasn’t really watching too close, thought it would go liberal again. Ugh. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/235 "2024-06-27T12:45:39Z")
The latest appointments to the Order of Canada have been announced - [Gov. Gen. Mary Simon announces 83 appointments to Order of Canada | CBC News](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/june-2024-order-of-canada-announcements-1.7247603) See any names you recognize? ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/236 "2024-06-27T13:43:47Z")
Not this time. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/237 "2024-06-27T13:53:46Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > See any names you recognize? Avril Lavigne is pretty well-known. It’s a shame she was replaced with an impostor. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/238 "2024-06-27T15:43:09Z")
I met Poloz once, and like Lavigne’s music. But I don’t know anyone on the list personally. I do, however, love the name “Joe Brock Average” which could not be more Canuck unless you squeezed in a Gordon. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/239 "2024-06-27T19:10:09Z")
Beverly Johnson is a friend from the Toronto contemporary music scene - among countless gigs we’ve done where she’s in the pit orchestra, I used to run into her in the TTC all the time when she was a subway musician. It would be interesting to find out just how many Order of Canada recipients have been buskers at one time in their lives… ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/240 "2024-06-28T03:06:10Z")
Here’s a story on Solomon Ratt, appointed to the Order for his efforts to keep Cree a living language: > **[Regina educator and advocate for Cree language appointed to Order of Canada](https://leaderpost.com/news/local-news/solomon-ratt-order-of-canada-regina-educator-cree-advocate?utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=gnews&utm_campaign=CDAQqJ6ti7jE5bX1ARiU-b3tu5K44asBKg8IACoHCAowq9aOCDDD_HU&utm_content=rundown&gaa_at=g&gaa_n=ARTJ-U-h9od5ZUQq0L1RaNUfl6BodSliho8Ui3pEVPIroPlZ50PfV_k0eUMwERwOAPsDy5RvtBpHsId-Ks8y&gaa_ts=667e35e1&gaa_sig=ffgXQFlMUmvxJFHXQX0Ek6ewIIf-5KIfG5scIV8arGgki1h419A5FHlp_dUzbGYpLSETXr-M7hGR27wMjDxTZA%3D%3D)** > > Regina author/educator Solomon Ratt has been appointed to the Order of Canada. He is best known for his work to preserve the Cree language. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432.md?page=13)