# The Canadoper Café 2024 is now open! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 1, 2024, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432 "2024-01-01T03:30:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/381 "2024-10-09T03:06:02Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > … (leading me to wonder if this is all subterfuge for forcing the casino that Toronto said “No!” to years ago on the city.) … Well, there is already a full-blown casino in Toronto, at Woodbine Racetrack, Slot machines, table games, on- and off-track betting; you name it, it’s there. Did Toronto not want another one, or is there some other reason? Ontario Place would have been perfect for one, I think. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/382 "2024-10-09T13:03:10Z")
> [@EmilyG](#): > > And I hate what Francois Legault is doing here in Quebec. Screwing over Montreal in many ways My wife and I moved to Montreal in 2013 for my job (we had lived there 20 years earlier and loved it), really looking forward to being back in the city we loved with a passion. I always busted my ass practicing French but I loved doing it. Well, between Legault’s xenophobia, pettiness, and hatred of Montreal and its diversity, and Plante’s totally unrealistic ideology and the city’s inability to look after its own infrastructure, we were desperate to escape. So we moved to Ottawa, and to not have to listen to the CAQ’s lies and distortion of data (Legault is basically a well-spoken and cultured Trump) is such a relief. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/383 "2024-10-09T13:59:05Z")
A very good article from the NYT about the ravines in Toronto. Much of the article is around my neighbourhood. Gift link: [https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/travel/toronto-ravines-parks-trails.html?unlocked\_article\_code=1.Q04.HBmO.vx4BFa4d9PRl&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/09/travel/toronto-ravines-parks-trails.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Q04.HBmO.vx4BFa4d9PRl&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/384 "2024-10-09T16:50:02Z")
> [@EmilyG](#): > > I hate what Doug Ford is doing to Ontario. > And I hate what Francois Legault is doing here in Quebec. Screwing over Montreal in many ways. Were either of them in the Supreme Court building when the fire alarm was pulled? ---
**Author:** ![EmilyG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/emilyg/32/364_2.png) [@EmilyG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EmilyG)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/385 "2024-10-09T18:19:23Z")
I like Valerie Plante okay I guess. I like how she wants to make the city less car-dependent. (Maybe I’m biased because I dislike cars and don’t drive.) I like living in a city that has decent public transportation. I was born in Montreal and have lived here all my life, and don’t plan to leave. Though the city does have its problems. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/386 "2024-10-09T18:56:57Z")
> [@EmilyG](#): > > I like Valerie Plante okay I guess. I like how she wants to make the city less car-dependent. (Maybe I’m biased because I dislike cars and don’t drive.) I generally agree (in my 40 yr working life, I’ve biked, walked, or busted to work for 36), but bikes, as well as motor vehicles, use roads, and the roads in Montreal are appalling. I have seen potholes that could break a bike wheel if hit at speed. I had a regular 30 - 40 km route that I rode for the last ten years, and I have, without exaggeration, seen multiple stretches of Cote de Liesse blocked off for multiple subsequent years, the chunk of Cote de Neiges by the armories undergoing roadwork multiple years. I’ve lived in Victoria, Halifax, Kingston and Ottawa, and have been on multiple visits to Toronto. What exists in Montreal is unparalleled in any of those cities. And Plante has only exacerbated things in the name of poorly designed bike lanes. I used to instruct vehicular/traffic cycling courses for the Canadian Cycling Association (CCA), so I do know something about this; kms of bike lanes, without a methodological study of crashes and collisions, don’t automatically equal safety. And that’s what she is doing. ---
**Author:** ![EmilyG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/emilyg/32/364_2.png) [@EmilyG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EmilyG)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/387 "2024-10-09T19:26:53Z")
Montreal’s roads are indeed notoriously bad. Sam Roberts wrote a song called “Hard Road.” When he wrote the words “there’s no road that ain’t a hard road to travel on,” I imagine he meant that nobody’s path in life is easy. But also, he’s a Montrealer, and I think to myself that he could’ve been writing about the condition of our roads here. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/388 "2024-10-09T21:58:04Z")
Meanwhile in BC, our Conservative party leader agreed with the proposition of holding “Neuremburg 2.0 trials” for our public health officials, and jailing them for crimes against humanity ( AKA requiring vaccinations) When called out on this, he said he didn’t understand the question, and anyway he’s sorry if anyone was offended. ---
**Author:** ![hogarth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hogarth/32/1773_2.png) [@hogarth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hogarth)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/389 "2024-10-09T22:17:39Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > A very good article from the NYT about the ravines in Toronto. Much of the article is around my neighbourhood. We walked from Roxborough Parkette to the Brickworks (as described in the article) just over a week ago. I agree it’s a nice walk. The other ravine we frequently use for weekend walks is along Burke Brook to the Sherwood Park off-leash area. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/390 "2024-10-09T23:43:19Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > our Conservative party leader Do you mean BCs provincial Tory leader or Poilievre? I live in Ottawa so I’m not that familiar with BC politics. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Poilievre said crap like that. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/391 "2024-10-10T00:07:08Z")
Provincial Conservatives, not Federal. The BC Liberal party (who were not Federal Liberals but rather a Center-right party that did a hostile takeover of the party apparatus in the 1990’s) morphed into “BC United”last year. This name change failed and they recently withdrew from this month’s election The BC conservatives are now the only right wing party in BC. The are anti science, anti vax, don’t believe in climate change, love corporations, are homophobic and love whacky conspiracy theories and Trump-like rhetoric And they well May form our next government. God help us. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/392 "2024-10-10T00:15:17Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > The BC conservatives are now the only right wing party in BC. The are anti science, anti vax, don’t believe in climate change, love corporations, are homophobic and love whacky conspiracy theories and Trump-like rhetoric > > And they well May form our next government. God help us. Yes, I’ve caught bits of it on the National but I haven’t followed it closely. Sadly, I don’t think that Poilievre is any better (selfies with freedom convoy idiots, name-calling like Trump etc). I fear that he will be our next PM and that Trump _could_ win. I fear that we’re seriously screwed. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/393 "2024-10-10T00:19:04Z")
> [@hogarth](#): > > The other ravine we frequently use for weekend walks is along Burke Brook to the Sherwood Park off-leash area. I know that ravine chain well, as I grew up in the area. Alexander Muir Gardens, under the Mount Pleasant Bridge, across Blythwood, into Sherwood Park … Great place for a walk, especially this time of year. ---
**Author:** ![EmilyG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/emilyg/32/364_2.png) [@EmilyG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EmilyG)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/394 "2024-10-10T00:56:10Z")
I’ve been to Toronto but never really explored the ravines. Something to do if I get there again. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/395 "2024-10-10T01:21:15Z")
Mr. Rustad, the BC Conservative leader, has just been caught out in a lie that he told at yesterday’s leaders’ debate. He claimed that he had seen someone die of an overdose at the corner of Robson and Hornby - except that the coroner’s office has no record of anyone dying at that location in the last 2 1/2 weeks, and if the paramedics had been resuscitating anyone who had later died in hospital, that, too, would have been recorded. It wasn’t. And let’s not forget Danielle Smith, and her pledge to ‘look into’ chemtrails, nor the Conservative leaders who refuse to acknowledge the science behind gender affirming care. It’s not a good time for evidence-based decision making from the right, neither in Canada nor in the US. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/396 "2024-10-10T01:56:58Z")
> [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](#): > > It’s not a good time for evidence-based decision making from the right, neither in Canada nor in the US. Yes, we (possibly the West) could be in serious trouble in the near future for some time. As Anne Applebaum wrote in early 2016 ([Is this the end of the West as we know it? — History News Network](https://www.historynewsnetwork.org/article/is-this-the-end-of-the-west-as-we-know-it)), “Right now [2016], we are two or three bad elections away from the end of NATO, the end of the European Union and maybe the end of the liberal world order as we know it.” At the time she discussed the “real possibility of Republican Party presidential nominee Donald Trump, which means we have to take seriously the possibility of a President Trump.” So we know how that turned out. A second Trump presidency could lead to the rest of Applebaum’s predictions, and we’ll have a Trump mini-me as our PM. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/397 "2024-10-10T02:51:49Z")
Good God, the UCP has allowed Jennifer Johnson to sit in caucus. This is the waste of skin who compared trans kids to ‘feces in cookie dough, ruining the entire batch’. It must be the chemtrails, making Danielle Smith’s brain stop functioning. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/398 "2024-10-10T13:01:41Z")
So hubs had CBC news on all day while doing home repairs. (I hate listening to news for hours, ugh!) The daily outrage, if I heard correctly, was that PP, (I refuse to call him anything else.), has taken a page from Trump, and has plans to empty the top civil servants and replace them with his choices! Blah, blah, blah…whatever. They then, I think, said or implied, PP is in a much more favoured position, to do so, if he so chooses. Little can stop him. I went outside and heard no more. I hope that neither of those things is more than news churning and NOT based on any actual reality or facts in evidence. Anyone hear tell of this? I’m hoping I misheard as I was in and out of the house often. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/399 "2024-10-10T14:36:29Z")
I haven’t heard that specific thing (yet, as I watch a fair bit of CBC) but it wouldn’t surprise me. Remember when he said that the governor of the Bank of Canada should be fired? Anyway, I expect to have him as our next PM and Trump as the next president. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2024, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/400 "2024-10-10T15:43:20Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > The daily outrage, if I heard correctly, was that PP, (I refuse to call him anything else.), has taken a page from Trump, and has plans to empty the top civil servants and replace them with his choices! The thing is our system is based on the stability of career civil servants. Other than the Minister, no one else is a political hire. The Deputy Ministers and ADMs are the ones who run the machinery, the Minister directs. The US wants to attach party loyalty to everyone in the system. > [@velomont](#): > > Anyway, I expect to have him as our next PM and Trump as the next president. I am pretty sure you are right about PP, I think (and hope!) that you are wrong about Trump. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432.md?page=21)