# The Canadoper Café 2024 is now open! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 1, 2024, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432 "2024-01-01T03:30:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/541 "2024-11-27T16:43:39Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > What they really want is for Canada to make its entry policies the exact same as the US entry policies, no matter what those policies are. We already have an eTA, roughly equivalent to the US ESTA, which is advanced travel authorization for people coming from visa exempt countries. Other than Americans, pretty much everyone else needs a visa. > **[Electronic travel authorization (eTA): How to apply - Canada.ca](https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/visit-canada/eta/apply.html)** > > Learn what you need and how to apply for your electronic travel authorization (eTA) to come to Canada. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/542 "2024-11-27T17:57:43Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > Other than Americans, pretty much everyone else needs a visa. It’s not just requiring a visa, it’s also a question of how hard it is to get a visa. > **[Why more Indians are crossing borders illegally to enter the US](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2ld7r4432o)** > > A surge in illegal border crossings by Indians into the US has left many puzzled -what’s going on? > For one, the migrants are not from the lowest economic strata. But they cannot secure tourist or student visas to the US, often due to lower education or English proficiency. > > Second, Canada on the northern border has become a more accessible entry point for Indians, with a visitor visa processing time of 76 days (compared to up to a year for a US visa in India). So we’ll be expected to change our standards to match theirs, and drag our feet long enough to discourage as many as possible from actually coming here. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/543 "2024-11-27T22:01:25Z")
Trump enjoys talking tough, but will apply excessive tariffs to some Canadian stuff for a while. The _actual_ amount of problematic people and paraphernalia is probably peanuts compared to Southern borders. I personally have no problem with Canada realistically addressing this issue, such as it is, nor spending more on our military so we can exercise sovereignty in the Arctic. But it will be used as an excuse for politicking, which is a bigger problem. How much improvement is enough? One of Trump’s cabinet has a wife who works for TC Energy. I thought most big Canadian energy companies were basically owned by Houston bigwigs (although I could certainly be misunderstanding this). So for many reasons energy will likely be treated more gingerly than softwood. In terms of actual economic sense, you might be surprised to learn some economists disagree with Trump. But Trump cares about base perceptions, not professors. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/544 "2024-11-27T22:14:16Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > In terms of actual economic sense, you might be surprised to learn some economists disagree with Trump. No, I’m not. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/545 "2024-11-27T22:14:41Z")
Oh come on now. Of course you are! ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/546 "2024-11-27T22:45:37Z")
I also think Canada should try to stay united with Mexico. Being divided will not greatly strengthen our negotiating options. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/547 "2024-11-28T01:05:52Z")
I saw someone elsewhere talking about the difference in our reactions. Trudeau is trying quiet diplomacy, while Mexico’s new President is being more in-his-face about it. I’m hoping that was some kind of actual plan, because a one-two punch might work wonders. ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/548 "2024-11-28T02:11:28Z")
> [@K364](#): > > Trump is a bully. “Nice economy you’ve got up there. Be a shame if something happened to it.” This is how he is going to “negotiate” with the whole world. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/549 "2024-11-28T02:20:54Z")
The Dino and Luigi School. ✅ ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/550 "2024-11-28T13:47:20Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > Be a shame if something happened to it.” This is how he is going to “negotiate” with the whole world. It’s what he did last time. He knows Canada would be crushed economically if he pulled out of NAFTA, so we’ll always sit down at the negotiating table any time he makes noises about cancelling it. And it really won’t matter who is in power at the time, no Canadian politician would just stand by and let NAFTA fail. His weakness is that, outside the basic bullying, he sucks at negotiation. He has no mind for details, and figuring out trade-offs. So we can buy him off by figuring out what silly little concession he’s looking for, while slipping in a few choice bits of our own. Like we did last time. We gave him a trivial little bit of extra access to our dairy industry, and in exchange, expanded our access to the much, much larger auto industry. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/551 "2024-11-28T15:36:02Z")
Wonder what the (imaginary, of course!) over/under is for how soon all those moronic tools for truckers might start up their moronic blockades again. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/552 "2024-11-28T15:51:24Z")
And what will their complaints be? “Why are Trudeau’s Tariffs making it harder for us to export things? And why are the border crossing so much more of a pain? It Trudeau trying to trap us in Canada?!?” ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/553 "2024-11-28T17:19:19Z")
More good sense from Coyne on why Canada should remain calm and focus. > **[Opinion: This is how Canada should deal with Donald Trump, irrational actor](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-this-is-how-canada-should-deal-with-donald-trump-irrational-actor/)** > > We cannot fall into the trap of believing the president-elect is rational – so we must not cave into his blackmail or immediately retaliate with self-destructive tariffs ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Finn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/34f0e0/32.png) [@Mark\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mark_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/554 "2024-11-28T17:35:17Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > More good sense from Coyne on why Canada should remain calm and focus. > > [Opinion: This is how Canada should deal with Donald Trump, irrational actor - The Globe and Mail](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-this-is-how-canada-should-deal-with-donald-trump-irrational-actor/) Paywall. Can you copy the whole article? ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/555 "2024-11-28T17:35:59Z")
Couldn’t view; got a “You must be a Globe and Mail subscriber” when I clicked on it. ETA: ninja’ed. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/556 "2024-11-28T17:39:27Z")
> [@Mark\_Finn](#): > > Can you copy the whole article? Or at least its salient points - the whole kaboodle is a copyright violation, here. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/557 "2024-11-28T23:26:16Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > > [@aurora\_maire](#): > > > > Be a shame if something happened to it.” This is how he is going to “negotiate” with the whole world. > > It’s what he did last time. He knows Canada would be crushed economically if he pulled out of NAFTA, so we’ll always sit down at the negotiating table any time he makes noises about cancelling it. And it really won’t matter who is in power at the time, no Canadian politician would just stand by and let NAFTA fail… A bit late for that. NAFTA was replaced by USMCA four years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2024, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/558 "2024-11-28T23:39:14Z")
We just call it NAFTA. The tweaks (sorry, the phenomenal bestest-possible changes that The Donald made to it) weren’t enough to register in the Canadian public discourse. ---
**Author:** ![K364](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k364/32/5_2.png) [@K364](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/K364)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/559 "2024-11-29T00:11:02Z")
It’s a shame that we are now being bullied by that asshole Trump into doing things that should have been done a long time ago. Borders, foreign interference, and NATO spending. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2024, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/560 "2024-11-29T00:37:51Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > His weakness is that, outside the basic bullying, he sucks at negotiation. Perhaps because he doesn’t know how to negotiate. He’s never had to sit down and give and take in order to arrive at a deal that benefits both sides. His idea of negotiation always boils down to an “I win, you lose” situation. At least when NAFTA was renegotiated, the Americans were experienced negotiators who knew that give and take was going to be necessary, and as a result, NAFTA turned out to be acceptable to all parties. Trump may not have been happy at how the American team worked (and he probably wasn’t, because not much changed in the updated agreement), but he claimed victory anyway. > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > We just call it NAFTA. The tweaks (sorry, the phenomenal bestest-possible changes that The Donald made to it) weren’t enough to register in the Canadian public discourse. If pressed, we’ll call it NAFTA 2.0. “USMCA” puts the US first in the agreement name, which isn’t going to fly here in Canada. At least “NAFTA” treats all parties fairly. It puts North America first, and better reflects who the agreement governs: all countries in North America. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432.md?page=29)