# The Canadoper Café 2024 is now open! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 1, 2024, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432 "2024-01-01T03:30:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 33
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/641 "2024-12-18T05:19:16Z")
I don’t think the government should support privatized profits and socialized losses. These industries can _pull themselves up by their bootstraps_ like they tell us to do. They can _save for a rainy day_ like they tell us to do. They can _spend less money_ on stock buybacks and executive compensation (the avocado toast and lattes of the corporate world). They should have learned from the pandemic that their infinite profit margins are sometimes subject to external forces that they have no control over. Why should the government continue rescuing them from their own shortsightedness? These companies are going to (if they haven’t already) raise prices in anticipation of Trump’s tariffs and if these tariffs arrive, they’re going to raise prices _again_. And then they’re going to bitch to the government that they aren’t making any money! We the people get to finance these profiteering companies in exchange for what? Nothing. > [@RickJay](#): > > “Gearing up for war” doesn’t mean you start a war. Except Trump. Trump is the reason we cannot have nice things. Getting ready to retaliate is as bad as retaliating. Trump accepts complete submission only and Trudeau knows it, which is why he is allowing himself to be humiliated with the “Governor” comments. Freeland wanted to fight Trump which would accomplish nothing beyond making things worse. Having said that, I think Trudeau’s days as PM are numbered and Freeland might just end up replacing him. If so, she’ll see up close and personal how effective the “stand up to Trump” strategy is. If there is one thing he hates more than someone standing up to him, it’s when that someone is also a woman. So she can be in charge until fall of 2025 at which point I predict the Liberals are going to get absolutely trounced at the polls and we will have a Conservative-majority government (which to be clear I do not want) led by Poilievre. I’m pretty sure he also wants to scrap with Trump and I am sure Trump will be stunned into submission by his big chihuahua energy. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/642 "2024-12-18T13:55:32Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > Except Trump. Trump is the reason we cannot have nice things. Getting ready to retaliate is as bad as retaliating. Trump accepts complete submission only Trump would not be aware of Canada being careful with money or not doing some stupid GST holiday on potato chips, come on. We’re talking about fiscal prudence, not invading Minnesota. Trump isn’t following Canadian fiscal policy. And I don’t at all buy that submission is the right approach. Trump is stupid and a bully and submission just invites more bullying. There is no evidence submission to him is the best strategy. Who’s won doing that? ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/643 "2024-12-18T14:11:39Z")
No apology necessary, **Le\_Min**. I didn’t take it that way. For the next four years, as in 2017-2021, I know I will have to draw a distinction between my country, which I love, and its President, whom I loathe. And on that note: > **[Analysis: Trump is going after Canada now – but everyone else is next | CNN...](https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/18/politics/trump-cananda-trudeau-analysis/index.html)** > > Donald Trump is stoking political mayhem in Canada by intensifying a crisis that threatens to oust Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/644 "2024-12-18T14:17:17Z")
There is no strategy that mollifies a chaos monkey. Submission doesn’t matter when the monkey arbitrarily wants to cause chaos or dominate again. Nothing matters to the monkey. Nothing is sacred. Controlling an incoherent ape is laughably illusionary. Why play the role of a battered spouse in denial? We can’t change, soften, or control brutes. The only stable strategy is to fortress (operate with the knowledge that the US isn’t a responsible party anymore) until the US gets better leadership. Hopefully it won’t take decades (this isn’t just a Trump issue). ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/645 "2024-12-18T14:30:32Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > There is no strategy that mollifies a chaos monkey. Submission doesn’t matter when the monkey arbitrarily wants to cause chaos or dominate again. Or, heaven forbid, we do the right thing and control our borders for the good of Canadians, controlling the fentanyl that is killing our citizens, controlling immigration again, and locking down car thefts and other stuff that is easily moved out of Canada all because we don’t manage it effectively. Just because it is being forced on us by the giant douchebag’s ravings down south doesn’t mean that our own local douchebag (Turdoh) shouldn’t have done this previously. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/646 "2024-12-18T14:33:23Z")
> Or, heaven forbid, we do the right thing and control our borders for the good of Canadians, controlling the fentanyl that is killing our citizens, controlling immigration again, and locking down car thefts and other stuff that is easily moved out of Canada all because we don’t manage it effectively. I am unaware that Canada has a problem with any of these issues. Please catch me up with some links quotes. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/647 "2024-12-18T14:38:54Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > These companies are going to (if they haven’t already) raise prices in anticipation of Trump’s tariffs and if these tariffs arrive, they’re going to raise prices _again_. And then they’re going to bitch to the government that they aren’t making any money! This is incorrect. If tariffs are imposed, they’re going to have to _lower_ their prices (at least for export) because the American importers will have to add the tariff into their costs. This makes the Canadian export goods less competitive vs American competitors, as well as other foreign competition if there’s anywhere with no/lower tariffs, so, they must lower their prices to remain competitive. Unless you meant they’ll raise their domestic prices in order to cover their lost export profits, which might happen in some cases I guess. Your general comments regarding corporate welfare are well-taken, except that allowing large chunks of the economy to fail would hurt everyone, not just those businesses. There are cases where the best policy for the general good is to bail out the fatcat businessman, as shitty as that is. Of course, that’s largely irrelevant as both the Liberals and Conservatives are entirely beholden to big business and will act in the interests of said big business, and it’s just happenstance that in some cases such as these that’s also good for the little guy. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/648 "2024-12-18T16:25:55Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > I’m pretty sure [Poilievre] also wants to scrap with Trump and I am sure Trump will be stunned into submission by his big chihuahua energy. Wouldn’t the right-leaning slaphead roll over for Trump? ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/649 "2024-12-18T16:56:01Z")
I have no faith in Poilievre to stand up to any one or any thing on the right. His response to the Freedumb convoy was to shake their hands - Trump is his kind of people! ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/650 "2024-12-18T17:49:15Z")
Trump likes it when people bow and scrape, but I doubt it really makes him respect them. Of course Canada should take a firm stand if treated unfairly, while compromising on issues that are reasonable or will benefit Canadians, of which there are several. This is what made Trump back off from tariffs in 2018. Trump did not like Freeland because she is tough. So Trudeau’s self-inflicted loss is going to hurt. The successful strategy remains getting through to the states and senators that do business with Canada. Ignore the fifty-first state crapola. Canada will need a stronger border if the States crack down on immigrants, and could use more military funding. Some industries are coddled. But don’t believe for a minute this is really just about numbers or fentanyl. ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/651 "2024-12-18T22:10:47Z")
Jean Charest tweeted “Every Canadian, regardless of their opinion of the Prime Minister or their political affiliation, should feel deeply offended by President Trump’s remarks. We might one day be grateful for this **WAKE-UP CALL**. For too long, we have been complacent in our relationships with the United States and the rest of the world. We need to unite and rise to this historic occasion to shape the future of Canada. #cdnpoli” I wish it were Jean Charest poised to replace Justin Trudeau as Prime Minister… ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/652 "2024-12-19T01:40:23Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > > Or, heaven forbid, we do the right thing and control our borders for the good of Canadians, controlling the fentanyl that is killing our citizens, controlling immigration again, and locking down car thefts and other stuff that is easily moved out of Canada all because we don’t manage it effectively. > > I am unaware that Canada has a problem with any of these issues. Please catch me up with some links quotes. [https://driving.ca/auto-news/driver-info/canada-auto-theft-stolen-cars-down](https://driving.ca/auto-news/driver-info/canada-auto-theft-stolen-cars-down) “Expensive new luxury vehicles remain popular with thieves, in part because they’re an easy illegal sell in international markets. IBC said that in many cases, they’re exported by domestic and international crime organizations, which then often use the proceeds for drug trafficking, terrorism, and arms dealing.” How do they get out of Canada onto the international markets? Someone drives the car across the Bering sea? No, they are put in containers and shipped. We don’t check the containers. > **[Opioid- and Stimulant-related Harms in Canada: Key findings — Canada.ca](https://health-infobase.canada.ca/substance-related-harms/opioids-stimulants/)** > > The most recent available data on overdoses and deaths involving opioids and/or stimulants from January 2016 to March 2024 in Canada, where available. Really, you don’t know these things? I knew the SD has become an echo chamber, but you can’t be that isolated? ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/653 "2024-12-19T02:45:57Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Really, you don’t know these things? Trump is blaming Canada for Fentanyl coming into the US. The reality is it it coming from their side. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/654 "2024-12-19T02:59:14Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > Trump is blaming Canada for Fentanyl coming into the US. The reality is it it coming from their side. Even more reason to control the border. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/655 "2024-12-19T03:22:12Z")
> [@Uzi](#): > > Even more reason to control the border We need to build a wall and make the US pay for it. ---
**Author:** ![Uzi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/91b2a8/32.png) [@Uzi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Uzi)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/656 "2024-12-19T03:47:11Z")
Excellent idea. Maybe Trudope can get it done before he is done. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2024, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/657 "2024-12-19T08:59:09Z")
We had a by-election in Lethbridge West today, for our Legislative Assembly seat, which was vacated last July. The voting for my neighbourhood was held, as voting so often is, in the gym of the church around the corner. It was a cold day (-12C, and quite windy, meaning the wind chill made it feel colder), so I was appropriately dressed: parka, gloves, and toque. Directly I stepped into the church, I removed the toque. It’s a church, you’re a gentleman, you remove your hat when you step into a church. I learned that as a child. What surprised me were the number of gentlemen who did not remove their hats. Mostly baseball caps, but a few toques too. Not that it mattered; the wearing of a hat could not interfere with the right to vote, in a church or not. But it made me feel old, and I guess I grew up at a different time, when no matter the occasion, you never wore a hat in church. Just to note, while results are not yet official, it appears that the NDP candidate has won our riding in the Legislative Assembly, though it is close. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2024, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/658 "2024-12-20T23:27:33Z")
Trudeau did a cabinet shuffle today which CBC.ca describes as him “shuffling the deck”: > **[ANALYSIS | Trudeau shuffles the deck while the nation waits for him to make...](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-leadership-cabinet-shuffle-1.7416778)** > > The federal cabinet now has some new members. But the only minister who currently matters is the prime minister  And until the question of the prime minister’s future is answered, not much else matters. They left out the “chairs on the Titanic” part but I think that’s what they meant. I haven’t heard every criticism of Justin Trudeau and I’m sure there are many but when people have cussed his name in front of me, they never seem to follow up with “if only he would shuffle his cabinet!” ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2024, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/659 "2024-12-22T16:42:26Z")
Hope no one fell for current phone scam of $250 rebate for Canadian workers. > **[$250 Working Canadians Rebate Scam Targeting Canadians, Warns CRA](https://yuvagalam.com/cra-250-rebate-scam/)** > > The Canadian government has announced a new initiative aimed at providing financial relief to working Canadians in the form of a $250 rebate, set to be > [@](#): > > Despite the delay in the rebate’s rollout, scammers have already begun targeting Canadians by exploiting the uncertainty surrounding the WCR. Fraudulent emails, texts, and phone calls are circulating, with scammers attempting to trick individuals into providing personal or financial information in exchange for access to the rebate. This has prompted a warning from the Canada Revenue Agency (CRA), urging the public to be vigilant. Interesting source that I’m completely unfamiliar with - seems to check out - a sort international aggregate thing goin on. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2024, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432/660 "2024-12-24T03:52:21Z")
I got a text scam attempt about this, in fact. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432.md?page=32) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-canadoper-cafe-2024-is-now-open/995432.md?page=34)