# The case against Lee H. Oswald **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 24, 2023, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-against-lee-h-oswald/993643 "2023-11-24T18:35:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Dissonance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85f322/32.png) [@Dissonance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dissonance)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2023, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-against-lee-h-oswald/993643/326 "2023-12-04T22:14:54Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > It’s awfully convenient that she has a rock solid alibi. And as we all know from Conspiracy 101, an alibi is actually evidence of guilt. She must have hired the mob to get Oswalt to clip her husband, why else would she need an alibi? ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-against-lee-h-oswald/993643/327 "2023-12-05T00:19:37Z")
> [@Galactus](#): > > They usually look at the spouse first. Where was Jackie Kennedy at the time of the murder? Oh dear. IANA JFK assassination expert. But if Jackie had a concealed weapon could her fire have contributed to the “magic” bullet trajectory? Oswald was trying to hit JFK too, but all he really needed to do was create the diversionary sound of gunfire; Jackie was right there to deliver the _coup de grace_. > But the gunfire is coming from _inside the car!_ weeooo weeooo. > [@Galactus](#): > > My god, Moriarty! You’ve broken the case. Well done. The game is afoot. Brilliant! You totally win the thread. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-against-lee-h-oswald/993643/328 "2023-12-05T00:27:23Z")
> [@Dissonance](#): > > > [@Cheesesteak](#): > > > > It’s awfully convenient that she has a rock solid alibi. > > And as we all know from Conspiracy 101, an alibi is actually evidence of guilt. _Alibi_? What alibi!? She was literally caught, _red-handed_, on camera, _at the scene of the crime_ and _as it happened_. You call that an _alibi_? It’s a wonder she didn’t get the death penalty, let alone never even charged. ---
**Author:** ![Jay\_Z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Jay\_Z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jay_Z)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-against-lee-h-oswald/993643/329 "2023-12-05T00:35:43Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > I mean, if we’re going to consider “who benefited most from this murder”, then I think Aristotle Onassis has to be considered the prime suspect. No, it’s obvious who stood the most to gain from JFK’s death. It’s an organization that would see a massive increase in its revenue stream mere months after 11/22/1963 and is still a successful moneymaker. It was the Beatles. Key Beatles member George Harrison already had a beachhead in the USA because his sister lived here. As he was not famous here yet he could travel undisturbed. The Beatles would go on to use lookalikes to replace key members throughout their existence. Therefore it’s likely that while a lookalike took care of the music business, one or more members of the Beatles was in Dallas that day. They didn’t call it the British Invasion for nothing. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-against-lee-h-oswald/993643/330 "2023-12-05T00:52:02Z")
> [@Jay\_Z](#): > > They didn’t call it the British Invasion for nothing. Heavy, man … Heavy. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-against-lee-h-oswald/993643/331 "2023-12-05T00:55:52Z")
It goes deeper than that. I’ve just learned that Harrison lied about his age to get into Germany, McCartney was arrested by German police, and Harrison, McCartney and pre-Ringo were all three deported, leaving John Lennon alone in Germany to do who knows what. Can we say for certain that Lennon _wasn’t_ contacted by East German agents, acting on behalf of the USSR, during that time? Can we really be sure that a man with a name like _Lennon_ wasn’t acting as a Soviet agent himself (and have you _heard_ Imagine? Listen to the lyrics!)? And don’t even get me started on that whole _Catcher in the Rye_ “assassination” story. Utterly ridiculous as a crime. Far more likely it was a cover story to extract him from then USA and spirit him away to Cuba before Reagan could take office and finally bring the hammer down on him. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-against-lee-h-oswald/993643/332 "2023-12-05T04:45:43Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > people like to believe things happen for a reason; and they will be pleased if you can give them one. I think this is another reason for the ongoing CT’s: some people just don’t want to believe that a 24 year old nutter, acting alone, and for an unclear motivation, could kill the President of the United States. It’s just too nihilistic to accept. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-against-lee-h-oswald/993643/333 "2023-12-05T05:03:26Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > I think this is another reason for the ongoing CT’s: some people just don’t want to believe that a 24 year old nutter, acting alone, and for an unclear motivation, could kill the President of the United States. It’s just too nihilistic to accept. Jesus! I’m 47 and haven’t accomplished as much in my life as Oswald did! ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2023, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-against-lee-h-oswald/993643/334 "2023-12-05T14:43:41Z")
As the humorist / musician Tom Lehrer (very roughly) had it: > Looking at my own accomplishments I can only think that when Mozart was my age … he’d been dead for 25 years. > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > It’s just too nihilistic to accept. Perhaps. A common underpinning of most CTs is there is a vast underground of activity. Some evil, some good, all of it hidden. Sorta like the plumbing & whatnot that’s actually buried under our streets. Once that idea gets into a vulnerable head, then everything significant that happens, and much else besides, is easily explained by the work of the underground. The real above-ground world is messy and highly contingent; luck and happenstance matters a lot. IMO someone choosing to believe it all happens from concrete actions of the unseen but very real underground is exactly the same mental circuitry that powered the ancient religions with a god of the winds, of the trees, of the rain, etc. All that contingency is someone’s bailiwick and they’re making it happen for … reasons. Here in 2023 that primitive brain feature is being ruthlessly exploited for money and power. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-against-lee-h-oswald/993643/335 "2023-12-12T21:16:33Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > And _even if_ they did, so what? Lots of people take credit for things they have nothing to do with. For example, [Bernard Purdie claims Ringo didn’t play](https://medium.com/@daniel.vanauken/ringo-didnt-play-on-any-beatle-records-5d91225ad7dd) on the Beatles early records - he did! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-against-lee-h-oswald/993643.md?page=16)