# The case of atheist leader Ellenbeth Wachs: opinions? Info? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 28, 2012, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564 "2012-06-28T10:50:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/21 "2012-07-05T18:29:17Z")
> [@EllenBeth](#): > > As for the marijuana charge, that was also dismissed. If you read carefully, I plead no contest to a paraphernalia charge. I did so because it was the easiest way to end this with no formal finding of guilt. You claimed that “the charges”, with no qualification, were dismissed. This is not strictly true - you pleaded no contest, which is not the same thing as having the charges dismissed. > [@](#): > > The marijuana was not mine. But that is irrelevant to being sober. As **Chimera** points out, you were, in fact, in possession of the stuff. And most people define “being sober” as refraining from the recreational use of substances such as marijuana as well as not drinking alcohol. YMMV. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/22 "2012-07-05T18:48:50Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > You know, up until 9 years ago, I had been a pretty serious pothead for 25 years. > > Not once in that entire time had I ever encountered a non-user holding pot for someone else. That’s because it’s never happened in the history of ever. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/23 "2012-07-05T19:15:24Z")
Almost always, being a successful leader, of any organization requires a slightly modified attitude than described as , ‘I will NOT be a nice person.’ In my experience people only self describe in the most generous terms. So when someone says, ‘Oh I can get a little testy!’, they are trying to let you know they are a right asshole sometimes. That said, “I will NOT be a nice person.” kind of speaks volumes for me! ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/24 "2012-07-05T19:39:03Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > That’s because it’s never happened in the history of ever. In this case, your sarcasm might accidentally be sincere. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/25 "2012-07-05T19:58:52Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > “Making loud sexual noises to children in the street”? How, and what would that even sound like? I hadn’t heard of this case, but now I’m quite curious about it. From one of the articles one of her neighbors called police SIX MONTHS after they claimed one of their children heard “sexual noises” coming from inside her house. I don’t know how anyone could support that arrest, unless the media is grossly misreporting on this. > [@](#): > > Ms. Wachs was arrested a second time, in May, for moaning repeatedly in a sexual manner from an open window in her house, saying, “Oh, John,” in a crescendo, as a ploy to stop neighbors, including a young boy, from playing basketball. The moans followed a dispute with the neighbor. The sheriff’s office arrested her on a felony sex charge. The police searched her house and took away a safe, among other things. Another article mentioned the detail that the arrest and complaint came six months after the alleged moaning. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/26 "2012-07-05T20:22:24Z")
How old was the boy, and did his name happen to be “John”? Nevertheless, I agree that so far it sounds like trumped-up horseshit, whether or not Ms. Wachs was in fact the owner of the whopping two grams of devil’s weed. ---
**Author:** ![EllenBeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@EllenBeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllenBeth)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/27 "2012-07-05T20:30:36Z")
seems you all have your answers and don’t need the actual facts Take care. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/28 "2012-07-05T20:48:53Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > You know, up until 9 years ago, I had been a pretty serious pothead for 25 years. > > Not once in that entire time had I ever encountered a non-user holding pot for someone else. I’ve known a couple people who did that. Usually it was someone whose SO smoked, and they let the SO keep a small stash at their place, though. ---
**Author:** ![tapu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@tapu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tapu)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/29 "2012-07-05T21:02:02Z")
> [@EllenBeth](#): > > seems you all have your answers and don’t need the actual facts > > Take care. So, that settled, would you care to go out sometime? ---
**Author:** ![EllenBeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@EllenBeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllenBeth)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/30 "2012-07-05T23:16:12Z")
> [@tapu](#): > > So, that settled, would you care to go out sometime? Sure, you bringing the pot? ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/31 "2012-07-05T23:22:29Z")
> [@EllenBeth](#): > > Sure, you bringing the pot? See? I love you already, not necessarily for the pot reference, but because you’ve been able to keep your sense of humor through all of this. ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/32 "2012-07-05T23:29:41Z")
> [@EllenBeth](#): > > Sure, you bringing the pot? You haven’t got a prayer… ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/33 "2012-07-05T23:34:03Z")
> [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > You haven’t got a prayer… i see what you did there. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![EllenBeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@EllenBeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllenBeth)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/34 "2012-07-05T23:40:25Z")
> [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > You haven’t got a prayer… All those telling me they were praying for me were lying? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2012, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/35 "2012-07-05T23:58:36Z")
> [@EllenBeth](#): > > All those telling me they were praying for me were lying? :smack: Or stoned… ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/36 "2012-07-06T00:10:00Z")
> [@Mr.Miskatonic](#): > > Retired lawyers can continue to use ‘esquire’ after their names. Retiring from medicine doesn’t mean you go from Dr. to Mr. \*Anyone \*can use esq. after his or her name, lawyer or not, retired or not. Unlike Dr., Esq. is not a controlled title, is granted by no authority, and has no legal meaning But if you intentionally use it in a manner to mislead those seeking legal counsel to believe that you are a qualified and licensed lawyer, you may run afoul of the law. The same is true of “Dr.” and medicine. ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/37 "2012-07-06T00:32:28Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > That’s because it’s never happened in the history of ever. I have a friend who holds pot for 2 of his married friends, so it has happened at least twice. ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/38 "2012-07-06T00:42:44Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > I have a friend who holds pot for 2 of his married friends, so it has happened at least twice. Does the friend smoke as well, or are they straight but willing to help out a buddy? (It would make a LOT more sense to me if a fellow “head” was willing to stash some savage roscoe for a smoking partner than if someone who never touched the stuff was the one doing the holding) ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/39 "2012-07-06T00:48:55Z")
> [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > (It would make a LOT more sense to me if a fellow “head” was willing to stash some savage roscoe ::::hijack:::: I heard a report on medicinal marijuana in Israel on NPR today. They introduced their guest, “head doctor” of a hospital in Israel…I laughed out loud for a couple seconds. ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/40 "2012-07-06T00:58:45Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > ::::hijack:::: I heard a report on medicinal marijuana in Israel on NPR today. They introduced their guest, “head doctor” of a hospital in Israel…I laughed out loud for a couple seconds. I recently read that there is a company in Israel that has bred a marijuana strain that contains no THC, so smokers don’t get high, but they still get the anti-nausea effects often associated with cannabis usage. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564.md?page=3)