# The case of atheist leader Ellenbeth Wachs: opinions? Info? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 28, 2012, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564 "2012-06-28T10:50:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![tapu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@tapu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tapu)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/41 "2012-07-06T01:23:18Z")
Ever notice how, if someone hears something on NPR, they don’t say, “Oh, hey, I heard on the radio the other day…” They always say, “I heard on NPR the other day…” :hijack-hijack: ---
**Author:** ![tapu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@tapu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tapu)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/42 "2012-07-06T01:24:56Z")
> [@EllenBeth](#): > > Sure, you bringing the pot? I’m bringing the know-how. Sister. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/43 "2012-07-06T01:58:54Z")
> [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > I recently read that there is a company in Israel that has bred a marijuana strain that contains no THC, so smokers don’t get high, but they still get the anti-nausea effects often associated with cannabis usage. Okay, _now_ they should be wiped off the map. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/44 "2012-07-06T02:39:30Z")
I can kinda believe the holding pot thing, because it’d be easy to be a former pot smoker with good contacts and still have friends who toke and you don’t think it’s bad per se, just not good for you. And a lot of people say they’re sober because they’re no longer drinking alcohol. They’re not including other drugs. Took me a while to realise that, but it happens. > [@grude](#): > > From one of the articles one of her neighbors called police SIX MONTHS after they claimed one of their children heard “sexual noises” coming from inside her house. > > I don’t know how anyone could support that arrest, unless the media is grossly misreporting on this. > > Another article mentioned the detail that the arrest and complaint came six months after the alleged moaning. That must be misreported, since it’d be pretty hard (heh) to prosecute someone for making sex noises in their own home. But the offender herself is here - hey! What’s that about? ---
**Author:** ![tapu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@tapu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tapu)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/45 "2012-07-06T02:46:45Z")
Anyone who “holds” pot for someone else is not very savvy, legally. ---
**Author:** ![EllenBeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@EllenBeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllenBeth)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/46 "2012-07-06T02:48:59Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > That must be misreported, since it’d be pretty hard (heh) to prosecute someone for making sex noises in their own home. > > But the offender herself is here - hey! What’s that about? Yeah, it is misreported. It wasn’t six months later. It was 48 days later they arrested me after the alleged noise. And yes, the curious thing is, there were two of us making sex noises (gasp!) but the one that was going after the sheriff was the one arrested. Hmmm… ---
**Author:** ![EllenBeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@EllenBeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllenBeth)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/47 "2012-07-06T02:56:53Z")
> [@tapu](#): > > I’m bringing the know-how. Sister. I know how. Sister. It got me arrested. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/48 "2012-07-06T02:57:21Z")
> [@EllenBeth](#): > > Yeah, it is misreported. It wasn’t six months later. It was 48 days later they arrested me after the alleged noise. And yes, the curious thing is, there were two of us making sex noises (gasp!) but the one that was going after the sheriff was the one arrested. Hmmm… Just curious but how did the judge respond to this charge? It seems ridiculous to everyone reading about it online. ---
**Author:** ![tapu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@tapu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tapu)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/49 "2012-07-06T02:59:12Z")
> [@EllenBeth](#): > > I know how. Sister. It got me arrested. Yeah, I was thinking more along the lines of something consensual… ---
**Author:** ![EllenBeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@EllenBeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllenBeth)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/50 "2012-07-06T03:03:48Z")
> [@grude](#): > > Just curious but how did the judge respond to this charge? It seems ridiculous to everyone reading about it online. Ridiculous to everyone but those in Imperial Polk County. This county is well known for being in a time-warp. The judges here do as they are told by the voters who are evangelicals. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/51 "2012-07-06T03:20:35Z")
> [@EllenBeth](#): > > Ridiculous to everyone but those in Imperial Polk County. This county is well known for being in a time-warp. The judges here do as they are told by the voters who are evangelicals. But what was the actual charge? ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/52 "2012-07-06T03:24:41Z")
> [@tapu](#): > > Ever notice how, if someone hears something on NPR, they don’t say, “Oh, hey, I heard on the radio the other day…” They always say, “I heard on NPR the other day…” > > :hijack-hijack: Aint NPR “the radio”? If it aint, it orta be. Carry on, luvvers! \ :hijack:hijack:hijack: ---
**Author:** ![JLRogers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce73a5/32.png) [@JLRogers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JLRogers)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/53 "2012-07-06T07:51:21Z")
> [@tapu](#): > > Ever notice how, if someone hears something on NPR, they don’t say, “Oh, hey, I heard on the radio the other day…” They always say, “I heard on NPR the other day…” > > :hijack-hijack: I do this, and for good reason. Nearly all non-NPR, non-music programming seems to be talk radio or some variant of Bill & John’s Wacky Drive-Time Radio Show. Neither is a credible source for anything other than incoherent diatribes about wedge issues and scatalogical parody songs. ---
**Author:** ![Double\_Foolscap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85e7bf/32.png) [@Double\_Foolscap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Double_Foolscap)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/54 "2012-07-06T10:44:33Z")
> [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](#): > > I recently read that there is a company in Israel that has bred a marijuana strain that contains no THC, so smokers don’t get high, but they still get the anti-nausea effects often associated with cannabis usage. More like cannab_isn’t_. Eh? Eh? ---
**Author:** ![EllenBeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@EllenBeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllenBeth)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/55 "2012-07-06T10:55:46Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > But what was the actual charge? Lewd and Lascivious behavior within the vicinity of a minor. Doesn’t seem to matter whether or not I knew the minor was there or whether the minor was on his property and I was INSIDE mine not visible to anyone. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/56 "2012-07-06T13:55:33Z")
> [@Double\_Foolscap](#): > > More like cannab_isn’t_. > > Eh? > > Eh? Okay, not bad. How about… um… Deefer? Pnot? Mary Feign? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/57 "2012-07-06T14:00:39Z")
> [@EllenBeth](#): > > Doesn’t seem to matter whether or not I knew the minor was there or whether the minor was on his property and I was INSIDE mine not visible to anyone. :dubious: I admit I don’t know all the facts and my level of interest and caring isn’t high enough to spend hours researching it. But if they arrested you six months after the fact for noises made in the heat of sex that were overheard by a minor… Then there’s something wrong with that. But we don’t know if that was in fact what happened. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/58 "2012-07-06T14:14:08Z")
> [@EllenBeth](#): > > Ridiculous to everyone but those in Imperial Polk County. This county is well known for being in a time-warp. The judges here do as they are told by the voters who are evangelicals. As a Pinellas county resident, I can vouch for this assessment. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/59 "2012-07-06T14:23:50Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Okay, not bad. How about… um… > > Deefer? > > Pnot? > > Mary Feign? Jamaican’t Sinsimilar Og Kitsch ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/60 "2012-07-06T16:31:21Z")
> [@EllenBeth](#): > > Sure, you bringing the pot? IT’S A TRAP! /Ackbar [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564.md?page=4)