# The case of atheist leader Ellenbeth Wachs: opinions? Info? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 28, 2012, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564 "2012-06-28T10:50:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/61 "2012-07-06T16:41:01Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Well, the facts as laid out in the warrant certainly support a finding of probable cause to believe that the unauthorized practice of law was being committed. > > I take it, however, that those charges were not pursued following the search and seizure executed at the residence? > > Also: assuming the facts related in the affidavit concerning the meeting with council officials were substantially correct, can you explain why their invocation practice is not protected under _Marsh v. Chambers_? Still curious about these questions. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/62 "2012-07-06T17:42:30Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Sinsimilar Copyright this right now. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/63 "2012-07-06T18:22:47Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Copyright this right now. Hijack (in order to fight ignorance): Copyright law does not protect single words, short phrases, names, or titles. Of course, you meant to refer to _trademark_ law, but you can’t exercise trademark rights over a word just because you came up with it. You have to be using it in commerce as an indicator of the origin of goods or services. ---
**Author:** ![tapu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/49beb7/32.png) [@tapu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tapu)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/64 "2012-07-06T22:53:34Z")
> [@Malacandra](#): > > IT’S A TRAP! > > /Ackbar One would think she’d stop asking that… ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2012, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/65 "2012-07-06T23:20:51Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Hijack (in order to fight ignorance): You’re no fun anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2012, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/66 "2012-07-07T00:25:40Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > That’s because it’s never happened in the history of ever. I will argue that it has - my father-in-law used to keep his unit’s pot stash in his locked desk in Vietnam. The MPs would never search his stuff, and he liked his support team at the hospital. While I was not there, I am positive he never inhaled. ---
**Author:** ![Joan\_Reynolds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cab0a1/32.png) [@Joan\_Reynolds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joan_Reynolds)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2012, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/67 "2012-07-18T18:58:05Z")
I went to a blog my best friend told me about due to Ellenbeths constant bullying of fellow atheist Wil Kuhlmann The name of the Blog is “Mysogyny and the straw Feminst” under the blog site A system of Random Tangents by Anna Johnstone. My friend is a open gay activist and an investigator for many national law firms all over America and the argumet escalated by Ellen threatning to contact his law firm calling him a sociopath etc etc . She has been harrasing him for a yr and let posters on a thread she was on in Facebook suggested his site dog be killed. She is crafty though, whren asked about the thread she removed the nasty comments she and others made . Wil , my friend was stabbed eleven times and beaten in to a coma years ago and has a sight issue and that is what got him invovled in the LGBT movement. When My friend asked a question what rights are feminist lacking( Ellenbeth is a feminst ) she and the blog owner went after him so badly that he is awaiting word from the police dept from where she lives. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2012, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/68 "2012-07-19T02:50:07Z")
> [@Joan\_Reynolds](#): > > I went to a blog my best friend told me about due to Ellenbeths constant bullying of fellow atheist Wil Kuhlmann The name of the Blog is “Mysogyny and the straw Feminst” under the blog site A system of Random Tangents by Anna Johnstone. My friend is a open gay activist and an investigator for many national law firms all over America and the argumet escalated by Ellen threatning to contact his law firm calling him a sociopath etc etc . She has been harrasing him for a yr and let posters on a thread she was on in Facebook suggested his site dog be killed. She is crafty though, whren asked about the thread she removed the nasty comments she and others made . Wil , my friend was stabbed eleven times and beaten in to a coma years ago and has a sight issue and that is what got him invovled in the LGBT movement. When My friend asked a question what rights are feminist lacking( Ellenbeth is a feminst ) she and the blog owner went after him so badly that he is awaiting word from the police dept from where she lives. Was you friend stabbed near Tulum, Mexico? ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2012, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/69 "2012-07-19T15:05:08Z")
> [@Joan\_Reynolds](#): > > I went to a blog my best friend told me about due to Ellenbeths constant bullying of fellow atheist Wil Kuhlmann The name of the Blog is “Mysogyny and the straw Feminst” under the blog site A system of Random Tangents by Anna Johnstone. My friend is a open gay activist and an investigator for many national law firms all over America and the argumet escalated by Ellen threatning to contact his law firm calling him a sociopath etc etc . She has been harrasing him for a yr and let posters on a thread she was on in Facebook suggested his site dog be killed. She is crafty though, whren asked about the thread she removed the nasty comments she and others made . Wil , my friend was stabbed eleven times and beaten in to a coma years ago and has a sight issue and that is what got him invovled in the LGBT movement. When My friend asked a question what rights are feminist lacking( Ellenbeth is a feminst ) she and the blog owner went after him so badly that he is awaiting word from the police dept from where she lives. If you have a problem with someone elsewhere on the Internet, deal with it there, don’t follow them here and try to rile us to to join battle. Thanks, **twickster** , for the SDMB ---
**Author:** ![Bamboo\_Boy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@Bamboo\_Boy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bamboo_Boy)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2012, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/70 "2012-07-19T15:36:36Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > If you have a problem with someone elsewhere on the Internet, deal with it there, don’t follow them here and try to rile us to to join battle. > > Thanks, > > **twickster** , for the SDMB Of course I’m not a mod with no authority here, but this is actually the sort of quasi-inside story I was interested in hearing, though it was kind of sloppy and an eyesore. I also have to say- I felt no sense of the poster trying to get me to join a battle or rile me up. Just an apocryphal story to take for what it’s worth, to offer some possible context. -BB ---
**Author:** ![Joan\_Reynolds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cab0a1/32.png) [@Joan\_Reynolds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joan_Reynolds)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/71 "2012-08-10T14:52:54Z")
One thing Ellenbeth Wachs did not mention is she has a prevous past with the law back in 2006 for instance she was placed under arrest for domestic violence. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2012, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/72 "2012-08-10T16:17:45Z")
> [@Joan\_Reynolds](#): > > One thing Ellenbeth Wachs did not mention is she has a prevous past with the law back in 2006 for instance she was placed under arrest for domestic violence. If you have evidence for your claims against Ms. Wachs, pls. provide links to that evidence. Otherwise, pls. take your beef elsewhere on the internet. **twickster** , MPSIMS moderator ---
**Author:** ![Joan\_Reynolds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cab0a1/32.png) [@Joan\_Reynolds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joan_Reynolds)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2012, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/73 "2012-08-12T21:52:57Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > If you have evidence for your claims against Ms. Wachs, pls. provide links to that evidence. Otherwise, pls. take your beef elsewhere on the internet. > > **twickster** , MPSIMS moderator If you provide me with your email address I will give you the evidence and the mug shot. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2012, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/74 "2012-08-12T22:16:57Z")
I’m not that interested in the story. If the material is available online, please provide a link so those who are can examine the evidence themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Joan\_Reynolds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/cab0a1/32.png) [@Joan\_Reynolds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joan_Reynolds)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2012, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/75 "2012-08-12T23:00:36Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > I’m not that interested in the story. If the material is available online, please provide a link so those who are can examine the evidence themselves. I will provide the link only in private, not on this blog , I play fair not dirty. so you either accept my offer of 100% evidence of EBW’s incarceration for domestic violence or you do not. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2012, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/76 "2012-08-12T23:04:15Z")
> [@Joan\_Reynolds](#): > > I will provide the link only in private, not on this blog , I play fair not dirty. so you either accept my offer of 100% evidence of EBW’s incarceration for domestic violence or you do not. :dubious: You’ve already smeared this person’s name on a site that’s heavily indexed by Google - which is how I assume you found it in the first place. Why not follow through and provide the evidence to back it up if it’s the real thing? ---
**Author:** ![Find\_Friends](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@Find\_Friends](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Find_Friends)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2012, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/77 "2012-08-12T23:08:21Z")
> [@EllenBeth](#): > > Lewd and Lascivious behavior within the vicinity of a minor. > > Doesn’t seem to matter whether or not I knew the minor was there or whether the minor was on his property and I was INSIDE mine not visible to anyone. :dubious: I keep expecting that someone on this thread will make a [reference](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=661500) to the latest Ragu ™ commercial series. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2012, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/78 "2012-08-12T23:48:05Z")
I still haven’t figured out why I’m supposed to care at all about this seemingly personal squabble that has nothing at all to do with me. ---
**Author:** ![MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MPB\_in\_Salt\_Lake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MPB_in_Salt_Lake)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/79 "2012-08-13T00:29:07Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I still haven’t figured out why I’m supposed to care at all about this seemingly personal squabble that has nothing at all to do with me. A reefer smoking militant atheist living in the Bible-Belt who gets arrested for making loud fucking noises to the little kids who are playing in front of her house??? That’s a more promising premise for quality entertainment than the entire plot of the _Star Wars_ franchise. “A long time ago, in a subdivision far away…” ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2012, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564/80 "2012-08-13T01:43:56Z")
> [@Joan\_Reynolds](#): > > I will provide the link only in private, not on this blog , I play fair not dirty. so you either accept my offer of 100% evidence of EBW’s incarceration for domestic violence or you do not. What you have already posted is sufficient to subject yourself and possibly the SDMB to liability for defamation of your allegations are false. Withholding evidence to support your claim doesn’t really protect you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-case-of-atheist-leader-ellenbeth-wachs-opinions-info/626564.md?page=5)