# The Celebrity Death Pool 2008

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**Category:** The Game Room\
**Tags:** death-pool\
**Created:** [December 1, 2007, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439 "2007-12-01T11:46:29Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![dwc1970](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a183cd/32.png) [@dwc1970](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dwc1970)\
**Post date:** [December 4, 2007, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439/21 "2007-12-04T00:19:01Z")

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First, the Excel-friendly “plain list”:

Bob Barker  
Fidel Castro  
Walter Cronkite  
Tom Cruise  
Richard Dawson  
Hugh Downs  
Fred Durst  
James Hetfield  
Keith Richards  
Axl Rose  
Abe Vigoda  
Barbara Walters  
Scott Weiland

And now, my comments.  
[ol]  
[li][Bob Barker](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Barker) (born December 12, 1923)- The Price is Right legendary icon. St. Pete one day will call, “Bob Barker, come on up!”[/li][li][Fidel Castro](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_Castro) (born August 13, 1926)- Cuban dictator. He’s gotta go sooner or later.[/li][li][Walter Cronkite](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Cronkite) (born November 4, 1916)- long-retired CBS news anchor. I had to check Wikipedia just to see if he was still alive.[/li][li][Tom Cruise](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cruise) (born July 3, 1962)- Actor, hardcore Scientologist. His involvement in Scientology is going to do him in somehow. He’s gotten loonier over the years.[/li][li][Richard Dawson](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawson) (born November 20, 1932)- Original Family Feud host. How many people think he’s going to kick off this year? Survey says…[/li][li][Hugh Downs](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Downs) (born February 14, 1921)- ABC News corespondent. I had to check Wiki for this one, too.[/li][li][Fred Durst](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Durst) (born August 20, 1970)- a.k.a. Limp Bizkit. He lives such a reckless lifestyle, something’s bound to get him sooner or later.[/li][li][James Hetfield](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hetfield) (born 3 August 1963, Downey, California)- Metallica vocalist. Rock stars are always on the Grim Reaper’s radar, it seems.[/li][li][Keith Richards](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Richards) (born 18 December 1943)- Rolling Stones fossil. Yeah, I know, he’s destined to live forever, but still…[/li][li][Axl Rose](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axl_Rose) (born February 6, 1962)- Guns n’ Roses frontman. Like a lot of rock stars, he lives his life in the fast lane a little too much.[/li][li][Abe Vigoda](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abe_Vigoda) (born February 24, 1921)- Actor. Hard to believe he’s still with us. Wiki again.[/li][li][Barbara Walters](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Walters) (born September 25, 1929)- She’s getting up in years, too. I need to have at least one woman on my list anyway.[/li][li][Scott Weiland](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Weiland) (born October 27, 1967)- Lead singer of Stone Temple Pilots. Live on the edge for too long and you’ll eventually fall off.[/li][/ol]  
As you can see, my list for 2008 is rock-star heavy as they tend to have a shorter longevity due to their extravagant lifestyles. Maybe this strategy will work.

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**Author:** ![Secret\_Volcano\_Lair](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Secret\_Volcano\_Lair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Secret_Volcano_Lair)\
**Post date:** [December 4, 2007, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439/22 "2007-12-04T01:31:21Z")

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here’s the “clean” version of my list, sorry for not doing this earlier :smack:

Fidel Castro  
Mikhail Kalashnikov  
Pete Doherty  
Amy Winehouse  
Betty Ford  
Farrah Fawcett  
Oral Roberts  
Billy Graham  
Bob Barker  
Lawrence Pfohl  
Stephen Glover  
Ariel Sharon  
Charles Manson

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**Author:** ![amarone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@amarone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarone)\
**Post date:** [December 4, 2007, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439/23 "2007-12-04T01:45:43Z")

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[QUOTE=Secret Volcano Lair]  
here’s the “clean” version of my list, sorry for not doing this earlier :smack:  
[/QUOTE]

Thanks.

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**Author:** ![Labtrash](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/labtrash/32/528_2.png) [@Labtrash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labtrash)\
**Post date:** [December 4, 2007, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439/24 "2007-12-04T02:07:11Z")

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1. Dom DeLuise
2. Ashley Olsen (tried Mary Kate last year - let’s see how Ashley does in 2008)
3. John Updike
4. Ben “Cooter from the Dukes of Hazzard” Jones
5. Dick Tufeld (voice of the robot in “Lost in Space”)
6. Lois Chiles (actress, Bond Girl in Moonraker)
7. Mohammad Ali
8. Jim Nabors
9. Martin Landau
10. Stephen Hawking
11. Ariel Sharon
12. Nick Nolte
13. Kim Jong Il

Alternates will be Tom Bosley, then Henry Kissenger

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**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\
**Post date:** [December 4, 2007, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439/25 "2007-12-04T02:24:35Z")

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I’m in.

Laraine Newman  
Garrett Morris  
Keith Richards  
Joe Piscopo  
Louie Anderson  
Roman Polanski  
Lindsey Lohan  
Sidney Lumet (had to check wikipedia to make sure he was still alive)  
John Waters (ditto)  
John Nash (double ditto)  
Stephen Hawking  
Paula Abdul  
Bob McGrath (Bob from Sesame Street)

plain list:  
Laraine Newman  
Garrett Morris  
Keith Richards  
Joe Piscopo  
Louie Anderson  
Roman Polanski  
Lindsey Lohan  
Sidney Lumet  
John Waters  
John Nash  
Stephen Hawking  
Paula Abdul  
Bob McGrath

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**Author:** ![Ellef](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8dc957/32.png) [@Ellef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellef)\
**Post date:** [December 4, 2007, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439/26 "2007-12-04T11:23:37Z")

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First timer in the Death Pool here. I never win anything, so the names on the following list are more or less guaranteed to survive 2008, but here goes:

Eric Sykes  
Norman Wisdom  
Humphrey Lyttelton  
Pete Doherty  
Nicholas “Fatty” Soames  
Dawn French  
Amy Winehouse  
Jeremy Clarkson  
Marion Jones  
Patrick Moore  
Baroness Thatcher  
David Blaine  
Norman Painting

Alternate: Clarissa Dickson Wright

Some explanations, as it’s a bit Brit-oriented:

Eric Sykes – Comedy actor/writer/icon (old age)  
Norman Wisdom – Comedy actor/National hero in Albania, apparently (old age)  
Humphrey Lyttelton – Jazz musician/game show host/national treasure (old age)  
Pete Doherty – Musician/celeb boyfriend/druggie (his luck’s got to run out some time soon)  
Nicholas “Fatty” Soames – MP (autoerotic asphyxiation, found in PVC basque, fishnets, the full works)  
Dawn French – Comedienne (can’t be healthy to be that size)  
Amy Winehouse – Singer/walking tabloid circus (suicide – v. sad if this comes to pass)  
Jeremy Clarkson – TV presenter/loudmouth (failed macho attempt to outdo Richard Hammond)  
Marion Jones – disgraced sprinter (steroid use catches up with her)  
Patrick Moore – TV astronomer/xylophonist (old age)  
Baroness Thatcher – Former UK PM/mad granny in the Conservative Party’s attic/haunting presence (massive stroke)  
David Blaine – illusionist/attention seeker (botched stunt while attempting to get back into the limelight)  
Norman Painting – Leading actor in BBC Radio 4’s The Archers (written out of show due to failing health, followed by RL heart attack)  
Clarissa Dickson Wright – TV chef (heart attack)

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**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\
**Post date:** [December 4, 2007, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439/27 "2007-12-04T11:24:22Z")

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Roy Scheider  
Neil Armstrong  
Mel Brooks  
Lindsay Lohan  
Raúl Castro  
James Watson  
Harper Lee  
Elizabeth Edwards  
Katie Holmes  
Robert Clary  
Betty White  
Nichelle Nichols  
Andy Griffith

Alternates: Nancy Reagan, Marget Thatcher, Peter O’Toole

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**Author:** ![Lsura](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7993a0/32.png) [@Lsura](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lsura)\
**Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439/28 "2007-12-06T02:49:06Z")

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Ok, here goes:

Willard Scott (he has to go sometime, right)  
Britney Spears (the meltdown is continuing. Possibly killed by her sister out of jealousy)  
Hank Aaron  
Barbara Bush (former first lady)  
Fidel Castro  
Alan Greenspan  
Roger Ebert  
James Earl Jones  
OJ Simpson  
Larry King  
John Astin (Gomez Adams)  
Chuck Berry  
Suzanne Pleshette

Alternates

Bob Barker  
Dick Clark  
Sally Struthers  
(I think all three of these, but especially the first two, are going to live forever. Therefore, just alternates).

**Plain list**

Willard Scott  
Britney Spears  
Hank Aaron  
Barbara Bush  
Fidel Castro  
Alan Greenspan  
Roger Ebert  
James Earl Jones  
OJ Simpson  
Larry King  
John Astin  
Chuck Berry  
Suzanne Pleshette

Alternates

Bob Barker Dick Clark Sally Struthers

And I may regret this, but I’ve found the [Who’s Alive and Who’s Dead](http://wa-wd.com/) site to be helpful this year. It’s not fancy, but I liked it.

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**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\
**Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439/29 "2007-12-06T02:51:47Z")

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[QUOTE=Lsura]  
And I may regret this, but I’ve found the [Who’s Alive and Who’s Dead](http://wa-wd.com/) site to be helpful this year. It’s not fancy, but I liked it.  
[/QUOTE]

That was my main source for my 2007 list, and two of my uniques kicked it.

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**Author:** ![Andrew\_21](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bcef8e/32.png) [@Andrew\_21](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andrew_21)\
**Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439/30 "2007-12-06T03:16:09Z")

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William F. Buckley Jr.  
Fidel Castro  
Elizabeth Edwards  
Betty Ford  
Ingemar Johansson  
Jack Kevorkian  
John Jay O’Connor III  
Sandra Day O’Connor  
Ariel Sharon  
George Steinbrenner  
John Paul Stevens  
Elizabeth Taylor  
Mike Tyson

Alternates:  
Omar Abdel-Rahman  
Margaret Thatcher  
Tony Snow

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**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\
**Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439/31 "2007-12-06T12:39:02Z")

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Billy Graham  
Kirk Douglas  
Charlton Heston  
Margaret Thatcher  
Elizabeth Taylor  
Ronnie Biggs  
Harold Pinter  
Dick Cheny  
Fidel Castro  
Shirley Temple  
Bob Barker  
Ariel Sharon  
Billy Graham

Alternate:  
Mohammed Ali

This is last years list with new nominees to replace last year’s winners. I am pleased to be able to submit this early as I will be busy over the new year.

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**Author:** ![amarone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@amarone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarone)\
**Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439/32 "2007-12-06T12:45:31Z")

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[QUOTE=Paul in Saudi]  
Billy Graham  
Kirk Douglas  
Charlton Heston  
Margaret Thatcher  
Elizabeth Taylor  
Ronnie Biggs  
Harold Pinter  
Dick Cheny  
Fidel Castro  
Shirley Temple  
Bob Barker  
Ariel Sharon  
Billy Graham

Alternate:  
Mohammed Ali

This is last years list with new nominees to replace last year’s winners. I am pleased to be able to submit this early as I will be busy over the new year.  
[/QUOTE]  
Billy Graham is in twice. I will replace one with Muhammad Ali.

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**Post date:** [December 6, 2007, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439/33 "2007-12-06T13:42:47Z")

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Grumble! Ali will never die. He is on everyone’s list. That’s what I get for hurrying.

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**Post date:** [December 7, 2007, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439/34 "2007-12-07T13:18:41Z")

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[QUOTE=amarone]

We have no rule about what constitutes “celebrity,” because it makes our heads hurt to think about this.  
[/QUOTE]

We’ve been pretty much saying that if someone’s death is reported by two major news reporting agencies (CNN, New York Times, one of the reputable foreign press outlets, etc.) then they’re a celebrity. Should we finally make this the rule for defining celebrity?

And thanks, **a35362** for your stewardship of The Pool over the last few years. Every now and then I remember your post about when John Paul II dies, and giggle.

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**Author:** ![amarone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@amarone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarone)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439/35 "2007-12-09T13:59:42Z")

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[QUOTE=Sean Factotum]  
We’ve been pretty much saying that if someone’s death is reported by two major news reporting agencies (CNN, New York Times, one of the reputable foreign press outlets, etc.) then they’re a celebrity. Should we finally make this the rule for defining celebrity?  
[/QUOTE]  
I’m responding partly to bump this thread - where is everyone? I never thought this thread would go off the first page.

If we want to discuss celebrity rules, there are two other situations that have been mentioned:  
[ul]  
[li]people who are merely related to celebrities, not celebrities in their own right[/li][li]people who are only famous because of their illness[/li][/ul]

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**Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439/36 "2007-12-09T14:10:56Z")

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[QUOTE=amarone]  
If we want to discuss celebrity rules, there are two other situations that have been mentioned:  
[ul]  
[li]people who are merely related to celebrities, not celebrities in their own right[/li][li]people who are only famous because of their illness[/li][/ul]  
[/QUOTE]  
And this is why our heads hurt. Celebrity is not self-evident, so you rule will engender more disagreements, not less.

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**Author:** ![Kilvert\_s\_Pagan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c37758/32.png) [@Kilvert\_s\_Pagan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kilvert_s_Pagan)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439/37 "2007-12-09T15:04:40Z")

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Britney Spears  
Kevin Federline  
J. K. Rowling  
Prince Harry  
Camilla Parker Bowles  
Mel Brooks  
Andrew Sullivan  
Michael Kinsley  
Mary Kate Olsen  
Robert Plant  
Ringo Starr  
Sen. Robert Byrd  
Stevie Nicks

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**Author:** ![Electrical\_Storm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ac8455/32.png) [@Electrical\_Storm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Electrical_Storm)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439/38 "2007-12-09T15:58:44Z")

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My picks for 2008:

Fidel Castro  
Jerry Lewis  
Bo Diddley  
Oral Roberts  
Vanna White  
Hulk Hogan  
Sean Connery  
Pamela Anderson  
Phil Spector  
Eunice Kennedy  
Kirk Douglas  
Gary Busey  
Billy Graham

alternate  
Perez Hilton

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**Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439/39 "2007-12-09T17:27:24Z")

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Might as well post the same list as last year. I wonder if I can get some monetary rewards from these people, seeing as I’m the reason the grim reaper leaves them alone.

Tom Petty  
Andy Griffith  
Carol Channing  
Rob Reiner  
Pat Buchanan  
Ron Santo  
Rip Torn  
Phyllis Diller  
Farrah Fawcett  
Bob Barker  
Jerry Stiller  
Bob Newhart  
Kenan Thompson

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**Author:** ![DeVena](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dec6dc/32.png) [@DeVena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeVena)\
**Post date:** [December 9, 2007, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-celebrity-death-pool-2008/428439/40 "2007-12-09T18:33:39Z")

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Fidel Castro  
Ariel Sharon  
Esther Williams  
Betty Ford  
Annette Funicello  
Estelle Getty  
Billy Graham  
Muhammad Ali  
Joe Paterno  
Blake Fielder-Civil  
Amy Winehouse  
Britney Spears  
Lindsay Lohan

Alternates:  
Larry Hagman  
Kevin Federline  
Courtney Love

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