# The circumcision thread: restored **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 6, 2000, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994 "2000-11-06T20:14:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994/1 "2000-11-06T20:14:34Z")
The [Penile Lengthening Column](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=43031&pagenumber=lastpage) got too long so I had to cut it short. šŸ˜ƒ (Sorry, itā€™s hard to resist). It wasnā€™t showing new posts properly. Hereā€™s the last post if anyone wants to continue (and what do I have to give you to make you decline?): Posted by BunnyGirl: > [@](#): > > You know, I never come into GD but this thread has just made my day - its so very amusing. Jack, just a quick question: you went to school for astrophysics (I believe). How did you get involved in medical experimentation and research? Also, did you graduate? You may have mentioned it but all I can remember is where you mentioned when you were at UCLA studying astrophysics or some such. I donā€™t want to scroll through 8 pages again. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Zero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c4cdca/32.png) [@Saint\_Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Zero)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994/2 "2000-11-06T20:21:36Z")
Thatā€™s the problem, O Great and Wise Moderator, Sir. You canā€™t simply restore these things once they get cut short! I knowā€¦ Can the cutting humor. But for once Iā€™m feeling sharp! ---
**Author:** ![jmullaney](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/85e7bf/32.png) [@jmullaney](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jmullaney)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994/3 "2000-11-06T20:24:40Z")
Just donā€™t be foreskin us to stop debating this! ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994/4 "2000-11-06T20:31:04Z")
It may seem silly at first but itā€™s the kind of thing thatā€™ll grow on ya. ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994/5 "2000-11-06T20:57:00Z")
Hey, any foreskin of **Jack Dean Tyler** ā€™s is a _frenum mine_! šŸ˜ƒ Esprix ---
**Author:** ![JustAnotherGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/278dde/32.png) [@JustAnotherGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JustAnotherGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994/6 "2000-11-06T21:17:06Z")
Obviously you all have been cut. That kind of sarcastic and attack-oriented humor would never come from an intact male. Please stop bringing irrelevant, argumentative evidence into this debate. These medical studies are obviously propaganda, similar to the advertisements a decade ago to make Americans happy with their American-made automobiles after they bought them. Doctors donā€™t really care about your penises, they are only justifying their millions of amputations over the years. To admit that they were wrong would open them up to numerous costly law suits. Letā€™s summarize the facts, as have been evidenced in aforementioned posts and sites: 1. Uncircumcized men are better lovers because: a. They do not participate in oral or ā€˜creativeā€™ activities, mainly because they are so superior at intercourse that they donā€™t need to. b. The foreskin has a magical property, as it remains unstudied or inexplicable in medical terms, to appropriately rub against all the ā€˜rightā€™ places inside a woman and more significantly on the outside of a womanā€™s vagina. c. It has been documented that uncircumsized men have more different partners. This is a simple law of supply and demand. They are in smaller supply in the U.S. and are a superior product, thus they are in higher demand. d. Esprix likes the looks of the uncut penis better than the cut version. This, to me, is the greatest and highest level of evidence. Esprix, being a homosexual man, knows more about penises than any heterosexual due to being on both sides of the fence. Since the brain has been stated to be the most erotic organ in the body, it thus follows that attractiveness would incite a greater pleasure in the sexual experience. Similar to the whole size issue. Some women, in this thread, have claimed to have been with both cut and uncut men and have not noticed an obvious difference in the sexual intensity. It is quite probable that these women were in a drug or alcohol induced state as they did not realize the obvious, that the sex was much better. On the other hand, many of them have probably cut, or planned to cut their own sons and are thus justifying the irreparable harm done to their children. In addition to the superior sexual abilities of uncut men, there is a superior orgasm and pleasure in an uncut penis. The inside half of the foreskin (7.5 sq inches) is not really skin, but a membrane full of nerves that enable uncut men to have superior orgasms. While the sensitivity and pleasure derived from this skin and these nerve endings has been disputed in this thread by uncut men, they are simply wrong and donā€™t understand the appropriate way to utilize their penises. It is such a waste. Here are men who have the much idolized but forever lost foreskin, and they are incapable of fully enjoying it due to their ignorance in coitus. While the penis is usually confined in garments of some type, with obvious exceptions of public showers, nude beaches and orgies, just knowing that one has been cut is a significant mental embarassment. Because of this medically caused deformity, all circumsized men are destined to live out their lives as freaks in comparison to the rest of the (well under 50%) properly uncircumsized males in the United States. To correct this embarassing, sexually limiting condition, a device called Tug-ahoy was developed to pull the cut skin back to itā€™s former aestetic, if not operational, glory. The affects of circumcision cut much deeper than sexual performance. The early snip causes a physical trauma that often translates into a mental trauma. This single act has been found to cause agressive behavior in the recipients later in life. It leads to ā€˜Foreskin Envyā€™, a derivative of Penis Envy suffered by females. However, since men are more agressive by nature, they manifest this envy through violent behavior. Most mass-murderers were cut at birth. It is merely coincidence that most men were cut at birth in the United States. The opposition argues that uncircumsized penises can cause penile and cervical cancer. These cancers were developed by the medical profession in laboratories and inflicted upon uncircumsized males and their partners in a secret conspiracy to provide evidence contrary to the devastating effects of circumcision. Due to the general acceptance of routine cutting by the medical industry, they cover each other with peer reviews to protect themselves from the tremendous lawsuits that would ensue if the truth about foreskins were communicated to the masses. In summation, only the ignorant or sadistic will have their sons cut. This grass roots effort will take root now and be echoed throughout the United States. We only hope that this message is carried appropriately to Save Our Foreskins Throughout Americaā€¦ SOFT America. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994/7 "2000-11-06T21:23:47Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Jack Dean Tyler_ > \*\*\> Didnā€™t Jodi already cover the fallacy present in this assertation? \< \*\* > No, he /she didnā€™t. I donā€™t mean to offend you, but you and Jodi need to go to your respective, local community colleges and take the introductory course in the science of logic. Obviously, neither of you understand anything about the science of logic because both of you are making glaring theoretical mistakes. Iā€™m sure that David B., our skeptical moderator, will back me up on this if you ask him. Ignorance is nothing to be ashamed of. But, stupidity, which is ignorance by choice, is very shameful. So, take a little action to educate yourself. Jack . . . Jack, jack, jack. This past June I took a philosophy course in which, among other things, we discussed the . . . rules and such, I guess . . . of logic. That class raised my GPA about 3/10 of a point. Draw from that as you wish. As my father was telling me today, the way a scientist goes about proving something is by either actually doing so (which youā€™ve said is impossible) or by proving that all the other options arenā€™t possible. Now, I would hope itā€™s glaringly obvious that in my case, not circumsizing me was not an option. My foreskin was swollen shut; we had a pediatrician and pediatric urologist work on it; they couldnā€™t do anything. I literally couldnā€™t pee. So I had the operation. If you care to disagree with that . . . you need to go back to your own community college, or a library, or ask a grade school science teacher how to argue a case where you have no reasonable argument to make. As for the whole ignorance bit . . . Jack, with a nurse for a father and two relatives who are doctors (not to mention my biology teacher was a physical therapist) . . . there are some things in medicine in which I do exhibit ignorance. This, Jack, is not one of them. As for the whole ā€œstupidity is ignorance by choiceā€ . . . Iā€™m going to give you an early Christmas present and not thrash that statement. I am fairly sure others will if they donā€™t have the same compassion for lost souls Iā€™ve learned. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994/8 "2000-11-06T21:36:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \> Didnā€™t Jodi already cover the fallacy present in this assertation? \< > > No, he /she didnā€™t. I donā€™t mean to offend you, but you and Jodi need to go to your respective, local community colleges and take the introductory course in the science of logic. In the spirit of this thread, Iā€™ll show you mine if you show me yours. In other words, lets hear what your educational and professional credentials are, Jack, and then Iā€™ll be happy to tell you about mine. Unless or until you are ready to do so, I suggest you refrain from maligning the educations of others. > [@](#): > > Obviously, neither of you understand anything about the science of logic because both of you are making glaring theoretical mistakes. Such as . . . ? News flash, Jack: ā€œYouā€™re wrong because I say soā€ is itself a ā€œglaring theorectical mistakeā€ and an obvious non-starter in the field of logic. If you allege I have made ā€œglaring theoretical mistakes,ā€ then it is up to you to point them out and attack them. Do not expect me (or anyone) to take just your word for it; I, for one, would not rely on your word alone for the premise that the sun will rise tomorrow. > [@](#): > > Iā€™m sure that David B., our skeptical moderator, will back me up on this if you ask him. šŸ™‚ Wanna bet? > [@](#): > > Ignorance is nothing to be ashamed of. But, stupidity, which is ignorance by choice, is very shameful. So, take a little action to educate yourself. Sometimes a statement is so perfectly ironic and amusing that the best you can do is to refrain from comment and just leave it to shine in all its unintended glory. ---
**Author:** ![lee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lee/32/7455_2.png) [@lee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lee)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994/9 "2000-11-06T21:46:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \> Didnā€™t Jodi already cover the fallacy present in this assertation? \< Donā€™t you mean phallacy? ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994/10 "2000-11-06T21:57:37Z")
**JustAnotherGuy** , yer the tops. šŸ˜‰ One thing, though - you forgot the whole Jewish/medical conspiracy angle. How could you have forgotten such an important part of the Illuminati cover-up? Really! Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Lucky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Lucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucky)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994/11 "2000-11-06T22:17:03Z")
I had no interest at all in this thread until today. Last night, the topic of circumcision came up in my house. My husband, an Asian (uncircumcised, of course) who has only been in the U.S. for about 5 months, had never heard of it. Imagine the look on the face of a grown man hearing about this procedure for the first time. It was priceless. If we ever have any sons, BTW, they will be left intact. ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994/12 "2000-11-06T22:20:17Z")
Has this thing set a record for the longest dick thread yet? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Zero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c4cdca/32.png) [@Saint\_Zero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Zero)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994/13 "2000-11-06T22:34:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by EJsGirl \* > \*\*Has this thing set a record for the longest dick thread yet? > > \*\* Your sig and this thread definetly do not mixā€¦ something about ā€œWhy do I always get the warped one?ā€ šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Moirai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@Moirai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moirai)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994/14 "2000-11-06T22:57:33Z")
Iā€™ll bet Jack could tell me whyā€¦ šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994/15 "2000-11-06T23:09:34Z")
Itā€™s been a little over a day since **Jack Dean Tyler** ā€™s last post. Does this guy post in dumps (no pun intended) or has he decided that we are also part of the circumcision conspiracy? Or do we all know nothing of the science of logic? I find it particularly amusing that **JDT** seems to think **Jodi** needs to brush up on her logic . . . JDT, you keep saying ā€œDavid B will back me up on this oneā€. Maybe itā€™s just me, but I havenā€™t seen David B back you up once yet. Is he also part of the conspiracy? ---
**Author:** ![beagledave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6de8d8/32.png) [@beagledave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beagledave)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994/16 "2000-11-06T23:26:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by EJsGirl \* > \*\*Has this thing set a record for the longest dick thread yet? > > \*\* perhapsā€¦but you mean ā€œlongest dickā€ thread or longest ā€œdick threadā€ šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2000, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994/17 "2000-11-06T23:37:55Z")
Saint Zero said to Gaudere: > [@](#): > > Thatā€™s the problem, O Great and Wise Moderator, _Sir_. (Emphasis added.) Hmmmm. Looks like somebodyā€™s pulling a Libertarian. Or else Gaudere got _really_ cut! ---
**Author:** ![ENugent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/4af34b/32.png) [@ENugent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ENugent)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2000, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994/18 "2000-11-07T00:20:08Z")
> [@](#): > > . I donā€™t mean to offend you, but you and Jodi need to go to your respective, local community colleges and take the introductory course in the science of logic. Obviously, neither of you understand anything about the science of logic because both of you are making glaring theoretical mistakes. Now can we ban him for being insulting? Huh, huh? ---
**Author:** ![andygirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@andygirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andygirl)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2000, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994/19 "2000-11-07T00:29:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Esprix \* > \*\ ***JustAnotherGuy** , yer the tops. šŸ˜‰ \*\* No, no, no. Heā€™s the tips. ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2000, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994/20 "2000-11-07T00:38:30Z")
> [@](#): > > Now can we ban him for being insulting? Huh, huh? [Moderator Hat ON] Sorry, no dice. šŸ˜ƒ ā€œYou need to take an intro to logic courseā€ is not considered a direct personal insult in the same manner that ā€œyou are a moronā€ is. Hell, Iā€™ve told people they need to study [insert field of study of choice] in GD threads plenty of times. Sometimes it is quite valid to tell someone they need to study a subject more, like when the creationists post about how stupid evolution is when they clearly donā€™t know the first thing about it. Not that I consider JDTā€™s comments in any way valid in this case. And would you guys quit arguing about moderating procedure in GD threads, _please_? It distracts from the actual debate and itā€™s far better served by an email to David and me. Weā€™ll look at any post you email us about and take the action we decide is necessary (though sometimes thatā€™ll be nothing, but we _will_ explain our reasoning). If you feel you need to post about a moderating decision publically, post in the BBQ Pit (but you should probably email us about the post in question before you run to the Pit, because Iā€™d rather not get ranted at for not censoring someone for a post I might not have even noticed). 'Kay? [Moderator Hat OFF] [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-circumcision-thread-restored/39994.md?page=2)