# The Citadel **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 22, 2014, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932 "2014-02-22T03:11:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/1 "2014-02-22T03:11:03Z")
No, not a military school. [This](http://www.iiicitadel.com/) is a planned community of “Patriots,” to be built somewhere in Idaho. It will have two concentric walls with towers around the whole town, every neighborhood will be surrounded with its own towered wall, and, [well](http://www.iiicitadel.com/patriotagreement.html): > [@](#): > > Two: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older governed by this Agreement shall annually demonstrate proficiency with the rifle of his/her choice by hitting a man-sized steel target at 100 yards with open sights at the Citadel range. Each Resident shall have 10 shots and must hit the target at least 7 times. > > Three: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older governed by this Agreement shall annually demonstrate proficiency with a handgun of choice by hitting a man-sized steel target at 25 yards with open sights at the Citadel range. Each Resident shall have 10 shots and must hit the target at least 7 times. > > Four: Every able-bodied Patriot of age within the Citadel will maintain one AR15 variant in 5.56mm NATO, at least 5 magazines and 1,000 rounds of ammunition. The responsibility for maintaining functional arms and ammunition levels for every member of the household shall fall to the head of household. Every able-bodied Patriot will be responsible for maintaining a Tactical Go Bag or Muster Kit to satisfy the Minuteman concept. Details TBD and posted elsewhere. > > Five: Every household within the Citadel will remain stocked with sufficient food, water, and other preparedness essentials (to be detailed elsewhere) to sustain the needs for every member of the household for a duration of one year. > > Six: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older shall pass a class every three years sponsored by the Citadel on basic emergency medical care; the courses shall focus on battlefield and wilderness environments. > > Seven: Every child attending Citadel schools — with parental discretion for maturity — shall have as part of every semester’s class curriculum basic marksmanship and firearms safety training leading to the proficiency test on the child’s 13th birthday as a “Coming of Age” rite of passage (a parent may attend the classes or personally train the child if so desired). Children attending schools beyond the Citadel, or home-schooled, are required to meet the same proficiency standards at age 13. > > Eight: All Patriots, who are of age and are not legally restricted from bearing firearms, shall agree to remain armed with a loaded sidearm whenever visiting the Citadel Town Center. Firearm shall be on-the-person and under the control of the Resident, not merely stored in a vehicle. > > Nine: Each household will provide ONE able-bodied Patriot (aged 13 or older) who shall muster one Saturday per month for Martial/Support Training for neighborhood-level training & musters, as set forth by the Militia Commanders of the Community. No single Patriot shall be required to muster more than once per quarter. In the course of every calendar year every able-bodied Patriot and every full-time resident in each household must participate in at least three musters (one neighborhood-level and two full-scale). Part-time residents must participate, in good faith, to the best of their ability. The town’s economy is to be based on its own [firearms company](http://www.iiiarmscompany.com/). Of course. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/2 "2014-02-22T03:29:50Z")
> [@](#): > > There will be no HOA. There will be no recycling police and no local ordinance enforcers from City Hall. Who exactly will be making sure all these able-bodied patriots exercise their mandatory liberties? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/3 "2014-02-22T03:46:50Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > Who exactly will be making sure all these able-bodied patriots exercise their mandatory liberties? The militiaman-survivalist equivalent of a homeowners’ association. > [@](#): > > Twelve: Violations of this Agreement will result in review by an arbitration panel consisting of Citadel Residents with appropriate and proportional disciplinary action taken. The most severe disciplinary action may include the loss of Lease and expulsion from the community. And people’s court. > [@](#): > > Thirteen: All Citadel Citizens agree to accept dispute resolution by an arbitration panel in the event a problem that cannot be resolved between residents. ---
**Author:** ![thelurkinghorror](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7c8e57/32.png) [@thelurkinghorror](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thelurkinghorror)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/4 "2014-02-22T05:15:03Z")
OF COURSE it’s in Idaho. They’ve got it all wrong. When the SHTF you don’t need everyone to be a marksman. You need to run faster than everyone who **isn’t** a marksman. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/5 "2014-02-22T09:21:47Z")
> [@](#): > > Four: Every able-bodied Patriot of age within the Citadel will maintain one AR15 variant in 5.56mm NATO, at least 5 magazines and 1,000 rounds of ammunition. Because nothing says “freedom” like the government requiring you to buy a product or else be penalized, right? Take _that_, Obamacare! ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 9:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/6 "2014-02-22T09:51:45Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > The town’s economy is to be based on its own [firearms company](http://www.iiiarmscompany.com/). Of course. Saw _that_ coming. I like how they have to hit steel targets. None of this liberal hippy bullshit paper targets for our “Patriots.” ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/7 "2014-02-22T10:05:48Z")
Paper targets don’t make that patriotic _ping_ sound. ---
**Author:** ![FairyChatMom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fairychatmom/32/22080_2.png) [@FairyChatMom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FairyChatMom)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/8 "2014-02-22T10:29:39Z")
So if you can’t hit the targets 70% of the time, you can’t live there? Same if you can’t muster to play their reindeer games? I wonder how long before a couple of pissed-off, armed residents square off in the Town Center? :rolleyes: Actually, this reminds me of something I asked my dad eons ago. Baltimore has the infamous Block - the section of Baltimore Street where the strip clubs were concentrated. I asked Dad why they didn’t just close them all up - he said it was better that they all be in one place - easier for the police to keep tabs on what was going on. That same logic could apply to the Citadel… ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/9 "2014-02-22T10:49:41Z")
I like that it’s “designed to withstand natural disasters such as Hurricanes Sandy and Katrina.” Hurricanes are a big problem in Idaho, I hear. > [@Smapti](#): > > Because nothing says “freedom” like the government requiring you to buy a product or else be penalized, right? Take _that_, Obamacare! It’s not the government, it’s the _landlord_. Because any focus group of gun-crazy communists will show that they hate being told what to do by the government or an HOA but love being told what to do by their landlord. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 11:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/10 "2014-02-22T11:01:19Z")
A nice little community full of right-wing gun nuts. Sounds like, if they get out of hand, the USAF can take them out with one B-52’s bombing run. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/11 "2014-02-22T11:41:09Z")
“Every able-bodied?” I’ve been to a lot of gun shows where there’s always a high RW gun nut quotient. Besides the 2nd Amendment, they also seem to hold dear whichever amendment gives them the right to chain-smoke and eat themselves north of 250 pounds. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/12 "2014-02-22T14:03:00Z")
As a gun-owning, liberty-loving patriot, I would have zero interest in living in place like that. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/13 "2014-02-22T14:06:51Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > “Every able-bodied?” I’ve been to a lot of gun shows where there’s always a high RW gun nut quotient. Besides the 2nd Amendment, they also seem to hold dear whichever amendment gives them the right to chain-smoke and eat themselves north of 250 pounds. Yep. [Here](http://www.lilligren.com/Redneck/images/redneck_special_forces.jpg) they are. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/14 "2014-02-22T14:16:46Z")
Ah, the brilliant convergence of the deluded, the paranoid, and the irony-proof. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/15 "2014-02-22T14:23:36Z")
Actually, I approve of a place like that. Keeps all the nuts in one jar. It’s when they’re out amongst everyone else, looking like the rest of us, that they are dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![Octarine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/22d042/32.png) [@Octarine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Octarine)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/16 "2014-02-22T14:25:28Z")
Sounds like a very toned down, 21st century version of Sparta. And hey, who wouldn’t want to live in Sparta? Wait . . . ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/17 "2014-02-22T14:26:53Z")
Indeed. Big stone walls have been an obsolete defense for at least several hundred years, however they’re still pretty effective at keeping people _in_. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/18 "2014-02-22T14:41:00Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > A nice little community full of right-wing gun nuts. > > Sounds like, if they get out of hand, the USAF can take them out with one B-52’s bombing run. Not once they move their American children in there. We won’t bomb them. We WILL have a mess on our hands. Because if we suspect child abuse, or human rights violations, its basically going to be a siege…and a siege when you don’t want kids to starve or the kid with type I diabetes to die is not a winning strategy. The FLDS has been a problem - and they aren’t armed insurrectionists. And the number of FBI agents and resources is going to be costly. We will need a count of all the adults going in and out of that place - and identification - from the day they build it we are going to want to know how many people are there and have background information on all of them - because the day will come when someone wants to leave (ala Jamestown) and no one wants another Jamestown. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/19 "2014-02-22T14:51:22Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > I like that it’s “designed to withstand natural disasters such as Hurricanes Sandy and Katrina.” **Hurricanes are a big problem in Idaho, I hear.** You just haven’t been reading the right websites. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/20 "2014-02-22T16:58:05Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > A nice little community full of right-wing gun nuts. > > Sounds like, if they get out of hand, the USAF can take them out with one B-52’s bombing run. The Citadel is to be designed and built like a castle. A castle is an excellent defense system. Provided your enemies have no cannons or aircraft. The Euros figured that out (the cannon part, a least) when Constantinople fell to the Turks in 1453; that’s why they stopped building castles. These guys are slow learners. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932.md?page=2)