# The Citadel **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 22, 2014, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932 "2014-02-22T03:11:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/21 "2014-02-22T17:03:48Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > Not once they move their American children in there. We won’t bomb them. We WILL have a mess on our hands. Because if we suspect child abuse, or human rights violations, its basically going to be a siege…and a siege when you don’t want kids to starve or the kid with type I diabetes to die is not a winning strategy. > > The FLDS has been a problem - and they aren’t armed insurrectionists. > > And the number of FBI agents and resources is going to be costly. We will need a count of all the adults going in and out of that place - and identification - from the day they build it we are going to want to know how many people are there and have background information on all of them - because the day will come when someone wants to leave (ala Jamestown) and no one wants another Jamestown. I don’t think they’re necessarily building those walls to keep out **government** forces, however. The website speaks of Idaho being a good place to be “when TSHTF.” ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/22 "2014-02-22T17:11:28Z")
What a bunch of pussies. They should be shooting at live targets who also have guns and are shooting back. I’ll volunteer, but only if they increase the range to 300 yards. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/23 "2014-02-22T17:14:43Z")
I’m not seeing the big deal. I’m no gun enthusiast but if a bunch of them want to live together, what’s the problem? And a local HOA that requires people to shoot targets may be unorthodox but it doesn’t seem any worse than HOAs that tell residents when to mow their lawns or what color to paint their house. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/24 "2014-02-22T17:16:03Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > The Citadel is to be designed and built like a castle. A castle is an excellent defense system. Provided your enemies have no cannons or aircraft. The Euros figured that out (the cannon part, a least) when Constantinople fell to the Turks in 1453; that’s why they stopped building castles. These guys are slow learners. Or maybe _Walking Dead_ fans. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/25 "2014-02-22T17:29:11Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I’m not seeing the big deal. I’m no gun enthusiast but if a bunch of them want to live together, what’s the problem? And a local HOA that requires people to shoot targets may be unorthodox but it doesn’t seem any worse than HOAs that tell residents when to mow their lawns or what color to paint their house. It’s not a **problem,** it’s just something worth sharing because it’s interesting and amusing and really, really weird. But, it is pointless. It’s [survivalism](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Survivalism#Survivalism_in_practice). ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/26 "2014-02-22T18:09:53Z")
I do strongly suspect that what will happen in the end is someone will retire to _their own_ private compound built with the money of those who would invest in this project, who will still be stuck out here among the general public, only now a few thousand clams lighter in the pocket. > [@Dangerosa](#): > > And the number of FBI agents and resources is going to be costly. _ **We will need a count of all the adults going in and out of that place - and identification - from the day they build it we are going to want to know how many people are there and have background information on all of them** _ - because the day will come when someone wants to leave (ala Jamestown) and no one wants another Jamestown. That last bit I highlighted, I’m sure our current surveillance resources can do a pretty decent job about with no need to announce it to everyone. Wanting to live in your own gated and fortified wackadoodle community among other fellow wackadoodles is not a crime, so we’ll just watch them covertly if it really worries us that much. It’s Idaho, they must be used to this by now. (I take it that the Idaho state constitution does NOT contain a provision to the effect that any militias that may exist must be under state authority?) ---
**Author:** ![Silophant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a698b9/32.png) [@Silophant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silophant)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/27 "2014-02-22T18:32:21Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I don’t think they’re necessarily building those walls to keep out **government** forces, however. The website speaks of Idaho being a good place to be “when TSHTF.” > [@The Citadel FAQ](#): > > The Citadel is not designed to withstand any direct .Mil or .Gov attack. So, they’re certainly not even attempting to withstand government _cyber_attacks, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/28 "2014-02-22T18:45:31Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > The town’s economy is to be based on its own [firearms company](http://www.iiiarmscompany.com/). Of course. What does this mean from that link? “We will not build Safe Queens.” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/29 "2014-02-22T19:01:20Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > What does this mean from that link? “We will not build Safe Queens.” Highly customized firearm that is never fired but only shown off to friends. Stays in the gun safe. Like having a rare, perfectly restored car that never leaves the climate controlled garage. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/30 "2014-02-22T19:02:36Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > What does this mean from that link? “We will not build Safe Queens.” My google-fu tells me it’s a term that describes a gun that is purchased but not used; it sits in the gun safe all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulf_the_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/31 "2014-02-22T19:31:49Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > because the day will come when someone wants to leave (ala Jamestown) and no one wants another Jamestown. Leaving Jamestown was difficult if you wanted to return to England, yes indeed. I don’t suppose the ships belonged to the settlers. But leaving Jonestown…now that was difficult… ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/32 "2014-02-22T20:59:22Z")
> [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](#): > > Leaving Jamestown was difficult if you wanted to return to England, yes indeed. I don’t suppose the ships belonged to the settlers. But leaving Jonestown…now that was difficult… :smack: What time did I post that - can I blame not enough coffee? ---
**Author:** ![Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulf_the_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/33 "2014-02-22T21:16:19Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > :smack: > > What time did I post that - can I blame not enough coffee? Of course! Anyway, I don’t want another Jamestown…those folks suffered the first few years! ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/34 "2014-02-22T21:29:58Z")
Oh, JAMEStown. I thought we were talking JONEStown. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/35 "2014-02-22T21:31:49Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Oh, JAMEStown. I thought we were talking JONEStown. I was. But I misspoke. Both, however, were shitty situations. But I don’t think the FBI would have been much help with Jamestown. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/36 "2014-02-22T21:42:52Z")
> [@The Citadel FAQ](#): > > The Citadel is not designed to withstand any direct .Mil or .Gov attack. Oh, I dunno about that… it seems pretty impregnable as far as the Navy and the Coast Guard are concerned. What I want to know is, who exactly are they expecting to need to shoot? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2014, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/37 "2014-02-22T21:55:19Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > What I want to know is, who exactly are they expecting to need to shoot? “Them.” Terrorists. Communists. Rioters. Aliens. Criminals. Zombies. Men in Black. The Army of the Anti-Christ. Drug cartels. Vampires. Street Gangs. Foreign invaders. ZOG. Fear itself. ---
**Author:** ![Carl\_Corey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Carl\_Corey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carl_Corey)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2014, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/38 "2014-02-23T00:41:53Z")
Fear Itself? Dude, start running. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2014, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/39 "2014-02-23T03:33:48Z")
> [@Carl\_Corey](#): > > Fear Itself? Dude, start running. Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there n1 ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2014, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932/40 "2014-02-23T08:24:29Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > :smack: > can I blame not enough coffee? that’s better than blaming the Kool Aid 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-citadel/681932.md?page=3)