# The Cleveland Browns march to 0-16 thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 27, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773 "2009-09-27T20:37:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2009, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/221 "2009-11-18T22:28:48Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Funny pathetic stat: The Browns have no RBs or WRs with a touchdown this year. All the TDs have been special teams, the QB rushing for a TD, or a TE or fullback receiving it. That’s actually pretty amazing for nine games. Sad, but amazingly so. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/222 "2009-11-19T04:05:18Z")
Zastudil, the punter, is out for the season. The best TE Steve Heiden too. Which… sounds irrelevant, except Zastudil was having one of the best punting seasons I’ve seen… and on a team that punts 18 or 20 times a game, was actually a significant contributor to us losing every game 33-3 instead of 48-3. We probably wouldn’t even have that one pathetic win if not for a remarkable punting unit performance. No Heiden means more Robert Royal. I have seen passes bounce off his face mask, off his stomach, and off his shoulder. Now I get to see what other body parts he can bounce a pass off of. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/223 "2009-11-19T14:55:51Z")
All he has to do is run a route six yards deep or more and he will ensure that there’s no chance of a pass bouncing off any body part. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/224 "2009-11-19T16:27:03Z")
With Zastudil out, I think the Browns should go for the gusto: no more punting. Why not? They’ve got nothing to play for anyway. What if they stopped punting and reeled off 3 or 4 wins in a row? Mangini would be lauded as a ballsy genius, and not punting would become the new wildcat. At the very least, pick a yard line beyond which you absolutely will not punt, and play for four downs from beyond that point. For the Browns, I’d say beyond their own 40 yard line, no punting (midfield would probably be better, but the Browns offense rarely gets there, so that’s no fun). ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/225 "2009-11-19T16:50:34Z")
I would base it on the distance to go rather than field position. Go for it on 4th and 5 or less, Man(genius?) ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/226 "2009-11-19T18:11:57Z")
Picked this up from another message board. > [@](#): > > I was listening to ESPN Radio last night around 10:30 pm and they had Chris Mortenson on and they were going over NFL news stories and they hit upon the fiasco that has been the Browns season. > > Basically, he said that there are strong indications that Mangini could be gone on Monday if the Browns lose in Detroit. Well, at least maybe the game has meaning now besides the #1 overall pick implications. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/227 "2009-11-19T18:50:36Z")
Current rumor is that Charlie Casserlie (GM Redskins, Texans) is talking to the ownership. Not sure if it’s the “football czar” president type position or GM. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/228 "2009-11-19T20:29:31Z")
Go Lions! ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/229 "2009-11-19T20:32:12Z")
A Cleveland victory over Detroit might be the ultimate Phyrric victory for Mangini. He wouldn’t get fired, but… he’d still be the head coach of the Browns. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/230 "2009-11-19T20:45:52Z")
Mangini isn’t fit to be coach of the Washington Generals, much less the Browns. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/231 "2009-11-19T20:47:15Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > Mangini isn’t fit to be coach of the Washington Generals, much less the Browns. Of course not, he’s not a basketball coach. \ ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/232 "2009-11-19T21:04:06Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Current rumor is that Charlie Casserlie (GM Redskins, Texans) is talking to the ownership. Not sure if it’s the “football czar” president type position or GM. Casserly? Charlie effin’ Casserly? That’s like hiring the Divine Wind Babysitting Service. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/233 "2009-11-20T17:48:55Z")
I was never impressed by Casserly during his stint on ESPN. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/234 "2009-11-20T17:50:24Z")
Well, he does look an awful lot better re the Mario Williams/Reggie Bush thing these days. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/235 "2009-11-20T18:17:15Z")
That was Casserly’s call for the Texans? Okay, yeah, that bumps him up a few notches. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/236 "2009-11-20T18:25:04Z")
Well, not only Reggie Williams, but Vince Young, the hometown …er … homestate hero. The debate was probably between Bush and Young, and he managed to piss everyone off. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/237 "2009-11-20T22:46:29Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Well, not only Reggie Williams, but Vince Young, the hometown …er .. homestate hero. The debate was probably between Bush and Young, and he managed to piss everyone off. Young/Bush…I love it. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/238 "2009-11-20T23:27:13Z")
> [@MadTheSwine](#): > > Young/Bush…I love it. Paedo. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/239 "2009-11-20T23:56:29Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Paedo. They came out as college juniors. It’s all good…mmm, Young college junior Bush. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/240 "2009-11-20T23:58:26Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > They came out as college juniors. It’s all good…mmm, Young college junior Bush. Ohio University actually has an all female dorm called Bush Hall. What were they thinking? 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773.md?page=13)