# The Cleveland Browns march to 0-16 thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 27, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773 "2009-09-27T20:37:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/301 "2009-12-11T03:06:32Z")
The Browns will blow it. Look how easily they gave up that field goal before the end of the half. The D is playing its ass off, though. I was in the “Browns should draft a QB in the 1st round next year” camp, but now I’m leaning towards getting Suh. They could scrap the 3-4, have Rogers and Suh next to each other, and dominate the line of scrimmage. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/302 "2009-12-11T03:09:24Z")
It didn’t help that the drive was kept alive by what appeared to be a BS roughing the passer call (I only saw it through a bad moment on an internet feed so maybe upon further review it’s legit) ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/303 "2009-12-11T03:48:36Z")
Mangini, you genius. You knew Mendenhall would drop that wide open pass, so that’s why you accepted the penalty and played a prevent even though your defense is playing its butt off. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/304 "2009-12-11T04:19:52Z")
Brownies!!! Suck it, Squeelers! ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/305 "2009-12-11T04:24:56Z")
Well that was the only game left on the schedule I cared about winning. Oh it’s going to be great seeing their fanbase and locker room melt down and they miss the playoffs. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/306 "2009-12-11T04:26:39Z")
Steeler fan support in Youngstown just plummeted 87%. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/307 "2009-12-11T04:27:18Z")
On the other hand… _no Suh for you_! ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/308 "2009-12-11T04:28:51Z")
Yeah, I know… It’s going to suck when we get the third pick or something with no one being close to worth it. The only way (pre-combine) I was interested in drafting in the top 7 or so was for Suh. Now we’re going to get the huge contract without even getting the huge prospect. Season isn’t over yet. Go Bucs! ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/309 "2009-12-11T04:30:16Z")
Oh, I don’t know about that. I think Tampa has 3 wins in them. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/310 "2009-12-11T04:32:21Z")
When our two-minute defense isn’t giving away games for us, the zebras are. Not much chance of us winning more than one more game this season - we’ve got the Jets and Falcons at home and the Seahawks and Saints on the road. If we lose on Sunday (vs. Jets), we’re finishing with one win. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/311 "2009-12-11T04:33:10Z")
You can beat the Saints. Washington almost did! Are the Rams in the running for Suh? I’m thinking since they just drafted an 8 gazillion dollar DE, and their QBs are Bulger/Boller, they might not be. ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/312 "2009-12-11T04:33:57Z")
I think that may have been the only good thing to happen in Cleveland sports in 2009. WOOF ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/313 "2009-12-11T04:43:06Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > When our two-minute defense isn’t giving away games for us, the zebras are. Not much chance of us winning more than one more game this season - we’ve got the Jets and Falcons at home and the Seahawks and Saints on the road. If we lose on Sunday (vs. Jets), we’re finishing with one win. If the Falcons remain beat up you can win that game, especially with the way they have played on the road this season. Going into Seattle will be tricky but that team is as inconsistent as any and they have serious injury issues, as always, too. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > You can beat the Saints. Washington almost did! > > Are the Rams in the running for Suh? I’m thinking since they just drafted an 8 gazillion dollar DE, and their QBs are Bulger/Boller, they might not be. I think Suh will be good enough to merit the #1 overall regardless of need. The Rams, especially with Spagnulo, will absolutely draft Suh and put him alongside Carricker and Long and have a scary foundation. That said I think the Rams might have another win in them, though the schedule is tough down the stretch. ---
**Author:** ![Khadaji](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Khadaji](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Khadaji)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/314 "2009-12-11T12:54:20Z")
I hang my head in embarrassment… Congrats Browns fans! ---
**Author:** ![Sigmagirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Sigmagirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sigmagirl)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/315 "2009-12-11T13:56:29Z")
Well, that sure feels nice. Josh Cribbs needs a big fat contract renegotiation under his tree this year. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/316 "2009-12-11T14:06:49Z")
Carricker might have been cut by the time you read this. He’s been called a bust from day one. You’re right, though - you can take a good defensive tackle regardless of need, because you’re going to be rotating those guys more than anyone else anyway. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2009, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/317 "2009-12-11T14:19:38Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Yeah, I know… **It’s going to suck when we get the third pick or something with no one being close to worth it.** The only way (pre-combine) I was interested in drafting in the top 7 or so was for Suh. Now we’re going to get the huge contract without even getting the huge prospect. > > Season isn’t over yet. Go Bucs! Won’t Mangenius just give the pick(s) to the Jets for a couple has-beens, a bag of footballs and a box of snowglobes anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2009, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/318 "2009-12-15T23:16:20Z")
I figure this thread is as good a place as any to post this, it doesn’t feel like it warrants it’s own thread considering the season is still going on. The full [Mock Draft](http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4730972) can be seen here for ESPN Insiders. I’ll post the abbreviated version here minus the commentary. **St. Louis Rams** Record: 1-12 Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska **Tampa Bay Buccaneers** Record: 1-12 Eric Berry\*, S, Tennessee **Cleveland Browns** Record: 2-11 Derrick Morgan\*, DE, Georgia Tech **Detroit Lions** Record: 2-11 Gerald McCoy\*, DT, Oklahoma **Kansas City Chiefs** Record: 3-10 Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State **Oakland Raiders** Record: 4-9 Carlos Dunlap\*, DE, Florida **Washington Redskins** Record: 4-9 Sam Bradford\*, QB, Oklahoma **Denver Broncos** (from 5-8 Chicago) Record: 8-5 Rolando McClain\*, ILB, Alabama **Seattle Seahawks** Record: 5-8 Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma **Buffalo Bills** Record: 5-8 Anthony Davis\*, OT, Rutgers **San Francisco 49ers** Record: 6-7 Joe Haden\*, CB, Florida **Pittsburgh Steelers** Record: 6-7 Bruce Campbell\*, OT, Maryland \*\* San Francisco 49ers (from 5-8 Carolina)\*\* Record: 6-7 Sergio Kindle, DE/OLB, Texas **Houston Texans** Record: 6-7 Earl Thomas\*\*, S, Texas **Tennessee Titans** Record: 6-7 Jason Pierre-Paul\*, DE, South Florida **Atlanta Falcons** Record: 6-7 Navorro Bowman\*, OLB, Penn State **Baltimore Ravens** Record: 7-6 Dez Bryant\*, WR, Oklahoma State **Jacksonville Jaguars** Record: 7-6 Bruce Carter\*, OLB, North Carolina **New York Giants** Record: 7-6 Brandon Spikes\*, ILB, Florida **New York Jets** Record: 7-6 Bryan Bulaga\*, OT, Iowa **Miami Dolphins** Record:7-6 Golden Tate\*, WR, Notre Dame **Arizona Cardinals** Record: 8-5 Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma **Seattle Seahawks (from 8-5 Denver)** Record: 5-8 Jimmy Clausen\*, QB, Notre Dame **Dallas Cowboys** Record: 8-5 Taylor Mays, S, USC **New England Patriots** Record: 8-5 Ricky Sapp, DE/OLB, Clemson **Green Bay Packers** Record: 9-4 C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson **Cincinnati Bengals** Record: 9-4 Marvin Austin\*, DT, North Carolina **Philadelphia Eagles** Record: 9-4 Vladimir Ducasse, OT, Massachusetts **San Diego Chargers** Record: 10-3 Jonathan Dwyer\*, RB, Georgia Tech **Minnesota Vikings** Record: 11-2 Brian Price\*, DT, UCLA **Indianapolis Colts** Record: 13-0 Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State **New Orleans Saints** Record: 13-0 Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee - - Draft eligible junior \*\* - Draft eligible sophomore ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2009, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/319 "2009-12-15T23:24:09Z")
A little more Brownies news. Apparently [Holmgren](http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4744799) is stepping up to the plate as the next GM. Might be a negotiating ploy to get the Seahawks to pay top dollar, but it’s interesting that Holmgren seems to want to get this sorted out so early as opposed to waiting until the offseason when most jobs will open up. He’s a guy that I’d be interested in adding as an upgrade over Angelo but I’m guessing a pre-Xmas deadline would rule that out. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/320 "2009-12-16T02:05:08Z")
Has Holmgren ever shown that he can be a good GM? I want Moneybags Mcfailsalot to throw a gazillion dollars at Parcells. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773.md?page=17)