# The Cleveland Browns march to 0-16 thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 27, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773 "2009-09-27T20:37:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/321 "2009-12-16T02:06:57Z")
He’s shown he can’t be a coach AND a GM. Maybe he can do the “football czar” thing if he concentrates on it full time. Or maybe not. Who the hell knows at this point. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/322 "2009-12-16T02:13:45Z")
While it’s true that being a coach and GM is a ridiculous (and maybe impossibly demanding) set of jobs, there are still plenty of GMs in the league who have proven themselves to be actual decent GMs. I’m not sure there’s evidence to infer Holmgren would’ve been good at the GM thing if he wasn’t coaching at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/323 "2009-12-16T03:08:36Z")
I would question the Holmgren as GM thing, too. Holmgren as coach = awesome. Holmgren as GM = Matt Hasselbeck :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/324 "2009-12-16T03:23:07Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > I would question the Holmgren as GM thing, too. Holmgren as coach = awesome. Holmgren as GM = Matt Hasselbeck :dubious: Well, to be fair, Hasselbeck was once awesome, or at least, pretty damn good until the last couple years. ---
**Author:** ![Omniscient](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omniscient/32/3290_2.png) [@Omniscient](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omniscient)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/325 "2009-12-16T08:27:46Z")
When did Holmgren get the majority of the control in Green Bay? He’s got a good track record of finding teachers and position coaches and developing talent. Tough to know where the split between head coach and GM comes there, but he’s led two franchises to the Super Bowl and is associated with some excellent coaches. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/326 "2009-12-16T14:16:41Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > I would question the Holmgren as GM thing, too. Holmgren as coach = awesome. Holmgren as GM = Matt Hasselbeck :dubious: Hasselbeck sucked when Holmgren was doing the GM bit. As soon as Seattle took away Holmgren’s GM responsibilities, Hasselbeck figured out how to play. Maybe a coincidence, but I think the GM stuff interfered with the time he should have been spending with players. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2009, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/327 "2009-12-20T07:59:22Z")
I thought Holmgren might be playing the Browns to get a better deal from Seattle, but he apparently just turned down a job in Seattle that would give him final say in personel matters. He’s supposed to give the Browns an answer my Monday. I still don’t know how to feel about this. I mean the guy clearly has a ton of football knowledge, but he’s only demonstrated he’s good at coaching. Edit: The final say on personel matters may not be true, disregard that. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2009, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/328 "2009-12-20T08:15:26Z")
Could bringing in Holmgren make the Browns get any worse at judging personnel? ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2009, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/329 "2009-12-20T16:24:56Z")
Buccaneers. Be some pals and win some more games, plz. I want Suh in a Lions uniform. I don’t get much football joy and I don’t expect any football joy, but come the fuck on. Be a pal and win some games. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/330 "2009-12-20T18:29:24Z")
Hey, I just noticed. The Browns have a game today they might actually, like, ya know, WI… WI… \ WIN. Sorry, hard to get that word out with respect to the Brownies. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2009, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/331 "2009-12-20T18:46:14Z")
I don’t even know how to feel. Winning may keep Mangini around unjustly and knock us out of the Suh race. OTOH, I don’t want a high pick if Suh is gone. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2009, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/332 "2009-12-20T18:52:11Z")
> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#): > > Buccaneers. Be some pals and win some more games, plz. I want Suh in a Lions uniform. I don’t get much football joy and I don’t expect any football joy, but come the fuck on. Be a pal and win some games. Bah. You need to trade down anyway - our holes are smaller than your holes. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2009, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/333 "2009-12-20T18:54:25Z")
Trade downs up high are rare. No one wants to give the one of the biggest contracts in the league to a prospect. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2009, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/334 "2009-12-20T19:18:36Z")
I have a sick feeling that we’ll get stuck with the 2 nd or 3rd pick after Suh is gone and well get stuck paying $60m for a safety. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/335 "2009-12-20T19:56:12Z")
I have never seen a team mishandle a layer as much as Jerome Harrison. The team has no rb and they will probably let him walk this offseason. ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2009, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/336 "2009-12-20T19:56:47Z")
Cribbs has two 100-yard returns today. The dude is a monster. Which of course means that he’ll be out of Cleveland just as soon as his contract is up. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/337 "2009-12-20T20:01:14Z")
Wrong as usual. He has 4 or 5 years left on his deal and they are working on an extension/pay increase. He is a career Brown. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/338 "2009-12-20T20:02:48Z")
Re-sign Cribbs and Harrison, let the CPU fill the rest of the roster with bots. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2009, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/339 "2009-12-20T20:07:52Z")
Honestly, let’s just make the offense a deep wildcat with Cribbs. He’ll line up 10 yards back, like he’s going to punt, and the long snapper will snap it to him, and he’ll just figure out which way to go. ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/340 "2009-12-20T20:12:29Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > Honestly, let’s just make the offense a deep wildcat with Cribbs. He’ll line up 10 yards back, like he’s going to punt, and the long snapper will snap it to him, and he’ll just figure out which way to go. So you want the Browns to install the offense Kent State ran during Cribbs’ senior year in 2004 then? 😃 [stats](http://www.kentstatesports.com/fls/11400/Statistics/Football/2004/teamcume.htm#TEAM.IND) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773.md?page=18)