# The Cleveland Browns march to 0-16 thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 27, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773 "2009-09-27T20:37:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/361 "2009-12-21T15:02:43Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > How impressive is it that the Browns scored so many points and had what, 60-something yards passing? That’s pretty incredible. I love when some talking head says “Brady Quinn has won his last two starts” even though he’s passed for less than 100 yards in both games. YEAH, he’s really inspiring the team to great things. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/362 "2009-12-21T15:57:16Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > Since the Browns seem to be playing themselves out of the Suh sweepstakes Checking in to stake my claim on the word “Suh-weepstakes.” 60 yards passing and two picks stinks. But I wouldn’t expect a huge game from the QB when the KR scores twice and the running back gets almost 300 yards. ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/363 "2009-12-21T16:05:05Z")
I wonder if the Browns’ 41 points is the highest point total coupled with the lowest QB rating, Quinn’s 27.7, ever. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/364 "2009-12-21T16:42:00Z")
> [@zamboniracer](#): > > I wonder if the Browns’ 41 points is the highest point total coupled with the lowest QB rating, Quinn’s 27.7, ever. Its gotta be up there. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/365 "2009-12-22T00:15:04Z")
So… Holmgren. I hope he has the power to hire and fire the coach. I don’t quite know what to make of Mangini, and I’m not confident anyone else in the organization is competant enough to either - but Holmgren should at least be able to figure that part out. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2009, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/366 "2009-12-22T01:23:48Z")
Best of luck. There is, in my opinion, zero evidence that Holmgren is a capable executive manager for a football team, but hey, anything is better than the current clusterf\*\*\* that is the Cleveland Browns football operations. :shrug: ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2009, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/367 "2009-12-23T00:46:36Z")
Quinn is on IR. Fuck if I know why. They’re starting Anderson when they should be starting Cribbs. Because A) What the hell, it’s a 3 win team, make this entertaining and B) Cribbs actually threw a pretty nice pass in last week’s game. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2009, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/368 "2009-12-23T00:59:00Z")
He hurt his foot, apparently. He couldn’t make it easy by just going out there and giving an honest effort. Now watch, I bet Anderson pulls two monster games out of his ass just to make things even more confusing. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2009, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/369 "2009-12-23T01:02:05Z")
There’s a non-zero chance that Harrison gets 3 carries next game, by he way. Last year Harrison ripped off a 70 yards touchdown run in the Buffalo game - the last touchdown the team scored that season - and Crennel looked extremely pissed that he did it. He was actually dissapointed that his running back made a big play - why, I can’t tell you. But Mangini has been following up good Harrison performances this year with giving him no chances afterwards too. There has never been a talent more hated by his coaches than Harrison, and fuck if I know why. Now… I doubt it, because Mangini doesn’t want to piss off the fans even more and sitting Harrison would be so obvious a blunder, but given the totally retarded way two coaching staffs have treated the kid for 4 years, there’s definitely a non-zero chance that he gets benched for next game. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2009, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/370 "2009-12-23T01:11:34Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > There’s a non-zero chance that Harrison gets 3 carries next game, by he way. Last year Harrison ripped off a 70 yards touchdown run in the Buffalo game - the last touchdown the team scored that season - and Crennel looked extremely pissed that he did it. He was actually dissapointed that his running back made a big play - why, I can’t tell you. But Mangini has been following up good Harrison performances this year with giving him no chances afterwards too. There has never been a talent more hated by his coaches than Harrison, and fuck if I know why. The only reason I followed the Browns was for Harrison’s fantasy value. I thought he’d do great, and, when given the chance, he has. But I was completely dumbfounded when Mangini made Lewis the starter when he came back rather than keeping Harrison as the starter. It blatantly obvious to anyone with a football IQ above that of your average Steeler fan that Harrison is far and away better than Lewis, but your team kept trotting Lewis out. Then, Jennings gets the carries, and Harrison is benched again, only to come back with a dominating performance. Thinking back, I can’t think of any historical examples of how Harrison has been treated by the Browns, where he’s gotten the shaft over and over, only to prove, when given the chance, how stupid the coaching staff is. Your team is fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2009, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/371 "2009-12-23T02:02:56Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > Quinn is on IR. Fuck if I know why… Teams, especially teams with bad records, are quick to put guys on IR this late in the season. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2009, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/372 "2009-12-23T02:41:23Z")
If Quinn takes 70% of the snaps he gets something like $7 million. Far be it from me to suggest that Randy Lerner doesn’t want to pay him… ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2009, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/373 "2009-12-23T02:52:24Z")
He wouldn’t get 70% of the snaps anyway. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2009, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/374 "2009-12-23T03:19:35Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Its blatantly obvious to anyone with a football IQ above that of your average Steeler fan… Hee-hee! ---
**Author:** ![Fugazi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f08c70/32.png) [@Fugazi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fugazi)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2009, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/375 "2009-12-23T06:27:04Z")
After that 24 (27?) yard scramble he did at the end of the KC game, he pulled up limping. I wasn’t sure if he was going to be able to run the next play. God, I hope DA sucks up the place. I really don’t want to see yet another QB “competition” in next years training camp. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2009, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/376 "2009-12-23T06:59:00Z")
> [@Fugazi](#): > > After that 24 (27?) yard scramble he did at the end of the KC game, he pulled up limping. I wasn’t sure if he was going to be able to run the next play. God, I hope DA sucks up the place. I really don’t want to see yet another QB “competition” in next years training camp. Thanks to your username, I’m still sitting in the Waiting Room. ---
**Author:** ![Ennui](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ennui/32/3396_2.png) [@Ennui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ennui)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2009, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/377 "2009-12-23T13:48:33Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > There’s a non-zero chance that Harrison gets 3 carries next game, by he way. Last year Harrison ripped off a 70 yards touchdown run in the Buffalo game - the last touchdown the team scored that season - and Crennel looked extremely pissed that he did it. He was actually dissapointed that his running back made a big play - why, I can’t tell you. But Mangini has been following up good Harrison performances this year with giving him no chances afterwards too. There has never been a talent more hated by his coaches than Harrison, and fuck if I know why. > > Now… I doubt it, because Mangini doesn’t want to piss off the fans even more and sitting Harrison would be so obvious a blunder, but given the totally retarded way two coaching staffs have treated the kid for 4 years, there’s definitely a non-zero chance that he gets benched for next game. Football Outsiders has an interesting [article on Harrison](http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2009/week-15-quick-reads): > [@](#): > > The answer is that Jerome Harrison simply shouldn’t be an anonymous halfback. The fact that he was one until Sunday owes much more to the myopia that envelops football organizations than the weaknesses in his game. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2009, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/378 "2009-12-23T14:06:31Z")
I’ve been Harrison’s #1 pimp on the biggest Browns message board for a while. A lot of people are in my camp, but I took a lot of flak along the lines of “well, talent shows itself in the NFL, so clearly the guy isn’t as good as you think he is. Two seperate coaching staffs have shoveled him to the end of the roster now”. Well… he is either the most gigantic dick of all time and no one could possibly like him, or the organization is so fucking dysfunctional that two coaches are completely unaware of what was plainly obvious. What’s funny to me is that a lot of places are saying “well yeah sure, he ran for 286, but it’s Kansas City”… yeah, well, in the entire history of the NFL there’ve been a whole lot of running back matched up against bad run defenses, and yet only two of them ever managed to get more. I’d say it’s significant… I’m scared now that he’s in a contract year (if the CBA is resigned) and wouldn’t want to play here after how he got shafted. I would pay him big money, or even franchise him if necesary. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2009, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/379 "2009-12-23T14:11:11Z")
That article is a little dumb. It lists a bunch of tailbacks who are also 5’9", while failing to note that neither of the guys who are 5’9" and not heavier than Harrison were or are RBBC backs (Slaton and Dunn). Still, it’s pretty obvious he deserves to start as part of a tandem somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/380 "2009-12-23T14:16:57Z")
Slaton had like 80%+ of the Houston touches last year, didn’t he? And I remember Dunn getting most of the work in his Atlanta days. Really, I don’t think 5’9 210-215 is even small (he’s listed on the official site at 205, but that’s old - the weight he plays at is closer to 215). I don’t get it. You always hear “oh he’s a small little scatback, he can’t be a feature load” but he’s not small and he definitely doesn’t run like a scatback. It’s like at one point some half-ass scout wrote “small scatback” on a report somewhere and everyone has been repeating that to each other rather than actually watch him run. 5’9 is a little short - but I’m wondering why you need a tall RB. Receivers? Obviously height is an advantage. But isn’t it good if your RB might be able to become invisible behind his blockers? And that’s what he often does - I think that’s why he was nicknamed The Ghost in college. And 210-215 at 5’9 is probably somewher roughly equivelant to 225 at 6’0 or 6’1. He’s almost the exact same size as Frank Gore, Tiki Barber, and Priest Holmes, yet I’ve never heard “small scatback that can’t carry the load” about them. Tiki is actually the best comparison I can think of - Harrison reminds me a good bit of Tiki. Edit: WTF, just found out that the Browns/Chiefs games wasn’t chosen for NFL replay treatment this week. Hmm, a high scoring game that came down to the last minute, a record breaking kick return and all time great running performance, not worth it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773.md?page=20)