# The Cleveland Browns march to 0-16 thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 27, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773 "2009-09-27T20:37:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/161 "2009-10-25T21:39:45Z")
1. Browns 139 yards total offense today. 2. Indians hire Manny Acta as manager. 3. LeBron apparently had a mouth cancer scare earlier this year. I’m starting to think Cleveland was built on a giant Indian burial mound. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/162 "2009-10-25T22:06:53Z")
1. Shaquille O’Neal will turn 38 during the season and Cavs fans still think he has something left. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/163 "2009-10-25T22:09:15Z")
Of course he has something left. He doesn’t have 25 and 12 left, but they don’t need him to. Do you think Cavs fans are so ignorant that they believe they’re getting 2002 Shaq? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/164 "2009-10-25T22:11:40Z")
I think they’re being ridiculously optimistic if they think they’re even getting 2008 Shaq. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/165 "2009-10-25T22:50:24Z")
Yeah, cause he was such a world beater last year. Shaq at 60% \> Ben Wallace and Sasha Pavlovic ---
**Author:** ![Ennui](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ennui/32/3396_2.png) [@Ennui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ennui)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/166 "2009-10-26T20:24:42Z")
It’s amazing how marketing saturated pro sports have become, everything from stadium naming rights to the “Heinz Red Zone”. Being that as it may I think the Cleveland Clinic is losing out on an amazing revenue possibility by not advertising themselves as the “Official Electroconvulsive Therapy provider for Cleveland Browns fans.” ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/167 "2009-10-26T21:14:17Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > I’m starting to think Cleveland was built on a giant Indian burial mound. I don’t imagine the fact that the ridiculously offensive Indians cariacature is sitting just above and to the left of the sign for ‘Progressive Field’ helps anything, either. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/168 "2009-10-26T22:07:20Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > Yeah, cause he was such a world beater last year. > > **Shaq at 60% \> Ben Wallace** and Sasha Pavlovic :dubious: Not on defense, no. Plus, there’s the issue of the hair. I feel bad for **Senor Beef**. I knew the Browns were going to be pretty shitty this year, but not this shitty. They are in full-blown Chernobyl mode. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/169 "2009-10-26T23:16:32Z")
Nobody feels bad for me _grumble_ ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/170 "2009-10-26T23:24:45Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Nobody feels bad for me _grumble_ You won a Superbowl in recent memory. If anything, you should feel bad for ME! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/171 "2009-10-27T03:12:36Z")
Recent, maybe, but not in memory. I was falling down drunk that day. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 9:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/172 "2009-10-29T09:15:16Z")
The 2009 Browns are making the 1999 Browns [look good](http://cle.scout.com/2/913969.html) by comparison. Yikes. An expansion team that was purposely crippled by the NFL had better stats than the current team. Probably an easier schedule too, but still… awful. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/173 "2009-10-29T13:04:38Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > The 2009 Browns are making the 1999 Browns [look good](http://cle.scout.com/2/913969.html) by comparison. Yikes. An expansion team that was purposely crippled by the NFL had better stats than the current team. Probably an easier schedule too, but still… awful. > [@](#): > > So, is this an indictment of the last ten years, or the first year of another rebuild? > > A whole helluva lot of blame can be put on the former, but the statistical evidence is absolutely damning to the latter and any desire they have to continue on past this season. > > In ten years, this team has gotten no better. In fact, they have regressed to pathetic levels. > > And that’s an indictment on every last person in the eleven-plus years since Al Lerner cut the NFL a $530 million check, every single employee who’s had a hand, a part, a role in “building” what we see on Sunday afternoons. > > But, in the end, it’s certainly no excuse for what Mangini & Company are doing to this organization. You can’t be statistically worse than an expansion team. You can’t. > > Yet you are. He’s right. He’s absolutely right. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/174 "2009-10-29T15:58:39Z")
I was all for Derek Anderson getting the starting job but considering how he’s played it’s almost criminal that Quinn is still on the bench. Given his contract escalators the motivation could hardly be more blatant. ---
**Author:** ![Ennui](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ennui/32/3396_2.png) [@Ennui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ennui)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/175 "2009-10-29T22:37:09Z")
**WTF ???** [Owner Randy Lerner’s e-mail response to Browns fans’ plan to protest Nov. 16](http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/67176022.html) > [@](#): > > ''On the grounds of frustration and irritation with performance, then that’s the medicine I [we] are going to take, and I accept that. The goal this year was to rebuild the culture at the Browns. We felt at the end of last year that we lacked any overall philosophy, approach or direction regarding recruiting, drafting, coaching, preparation or training. As a result, each season was feeling like starting over and 4-12 following 10-6 felt painfully not all that surprising. > > ''It’s been way too long since the Browns have had anything to feel good about or invest in, and it’s clear that the doubt and negativity are taking on a life of their own. > > ‘‘What I can say is that we, and I, have remained open to new and fresh ideas and thinking and people with passion for the Browns and football experience getting involved and with hope and luck and support, making a difference. We won’t become entrenched or stubborn and despite my allergy to be more conspicuous, I do remain eager to seek help and guidance from any and all corners.’’ Now obviously that e-mail has been edited, but I find myself hoping that the Akron Beacon Journal intentionally and maliciously edited it in an attempt to make Randy Lerner look detached and insincere. Because if this is his response to efforts to organize fan protests I think the fans need some “new and fresh ideas” of our own. Last year we had a GM who e-mailed “F\*\*\* You!!” to a fan and this year we have the owner telling us “We’re trying to do better, honest. But you already paid for the tickets, go ahead and stay home.” ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/176 "2009-10-30T13:53:58Z")
> [@Ennui](#): > > **WTF ???** > > [Owner Randy Lerner’s e-mail response to Browns fans’ plan to protest Nov. 16](http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/67176022.html) > > Now obviously that e-mail has been edited, but I find myself hoping that the Akron Beacon Journal intentionally and maliciously edited it in an attempt to make Randy Lerner look detached and insincere. Because if this is his response to efforts to organize fan protests I think the fans need some “new and fresh ideas” of our own. > > Last year we had a GM who e-mailed “F\*\*\* You!!” to a fan and this year we have the owner telling us “We’re trying to do better, honest. But you already paid for the tickets, go ahead and stay home.” The November 16th planned protest is just impotent and silly. Deliberately missing the opening kickoff isn’t going to but the fear of anything in anybody. Even if the game tickets are a sunk cost and the team already has the money, staying home completely and thus depriving the team of revenue from concessions, parking, merchandise sales is the only way to get through to the thick-headed Browns so-called management. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/177 "2009-10-30T13:59:59Z")
What the hell are they protesting… that the team sucks? They just fired the GM and coach. What more do you want? I do appreciate Randy Lerner’s gall. “…each season was feeling like starting over and 4-12 following 10-6 felt painfully not all that surprising.” So you… started over. ---
**Author:** ![MOIDALIZE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e274bd/32.png) [@MOIDALIZE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MOIDALIZE)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/178 "2009-10-30T14:10:06Z")
Mike Lombardi from the National Football Post on the Browns: > [@](#): > > I’m going to make this prediction right here and now: This time next year, the Browns will not be any better, and owner Randy Lerner will finally realize what everyone I talk to in the NFL seems to know now — that he’s given control of his team to the wrong man. Take all the time you need to reach this decision, but you will eventually come to the same conclusion. > **[Diner morning news: Six NFL bottom dwellers - National Football Post](https://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008-2018-nfp-archive/latest-nfl-news/diner-morning-news-six-nfl-bottom-dwellers/)** > > These teams must start making repairs now. > [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > What the hell are they protesting… that the team sucks? They just fired the GM and coach. What more do you want? > > I do appreciate Randy Lerner’s gall. “…each season was feeling like starting over and 4-12 following 10-6 felt painfully not all that surprising.” So you… started over. What we want is an owner who gives a crap and does his due diligence instead of hiring someone nobody was interested in simply because it was convenient, letting him shred the roster and bring in a bunch of castoffs from the Jets, and being absent while this team goes through another cycle of mediocrity and rebuilding for the 3rd time since they’ve returned to the league. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/179 "2009-10-30T14:16:59Z")
You can’t blame Mangini for the inexplicable dearth of talent on the team, or Derek Anderson’s performance. Yes, the Browns are horrible, but they were just as bad last year (correcting for quarterback play). Mangini did a pretty good job in New York, all things considered; the Jets were awful when he arrived, and a shoulder injury away from an AFC Championship game when he got fired. Now, you may find that the best he can offer is a string of 8-8 to 10-6 seasons… but if I were in your shoes I’d take that in a heartbeat. ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773/180 "2009-10-30T18:06:07Z")
> [@MOIDALIZE](#): > > Mike Lombardi from the National Football Post on the Browns: {snip} My memory fails me, but isn’t Mike Lombardi on the list of incompetent former Browns’ front-office personnel? It strikes me as Millen criticizing the Lions’ current management. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-cleveland-browns-march-to-0-16-thread/511773.md?page=10)