I really don’t recall the degree to which the scientific community agreed on the cooling. But notice how I didn’t say there was consensus. And how you chose to include it.
The main point is that it is an incredible act of hubris to think you “KNOW” the degree to which humans have affected the climate. I think the evidence argues strongly that we have indeed affected it, but that’s about it. It is another hubristic leap to claim to “KNOW” the degree to which any suggested changes in human behavior might help. Add to that the gross exaggerations by “He Who Invented The internet” and it is absurd to force these conjectures on anyone. But if you really think it’ll do some good, move to India and China and get them to take some small steps, which would have a larger impact that the most ginormous step we can take.
Hey, maybe you can try to convince them to let you in through the first steps of a global “free movement of peoples around the globe” initiative. Just think the good you could do. You and Father Gigo, of course.
The fact remains that you were misled by the Republicans, as it is clear the myth was expanded recently by them; so, as expected, you are barking up the wrong tree, it is the ones that gave you that, and a mess of other misinformation the ones that you should have a beef with.
One that is not a partisan would had recognized a long time ago that regarding the claim that we can’t know comes also from the same misleading sources.
We actually do know enough.
And scientist Richard Alley is a Republican, at least one of the few moderates left…
You think that proves anything that I don’t already agree with. The only safe conclusion made in the video is the one he utter toward the end: the earth is warming.
I think we have different definitions of the word “know”. I use a much higher level of certainty than you apparently do. Bow you’re fine using whatever level you like. But if you want people to DO something based on what you claim to “KNOW”, you need to up that level.
And that is still a “do noting” argument, the levels of certainty are there already mentioned by Richard Alley and many other scientists, as you already demonstrated, you are not reliable at all in this subject and clearly you only follow misleading sources of information for your say so’s.
Switching to sustainable energy sources is not impossible to do or to afford it, nor it is the end of civilization, nor it is an over reaction, once again your sources are lying to you and many others.
And you should drop your ad hominem, deal with the fact that there are groups that are misleading you and clean your sources of information.
Feel free to wander over to The BBQ Pit and blast anyone you wish with your claims of “religion.” Since you have provided no actual information relative to this discussion, (through your next several post), I can only conclude that you are here for the purpose of threadshitting.
Thanks. I appreciate your input, I really do. What was your point again?
By the way, if you have not heard:
The temperature on Earth has more to do with the ginormous “ball of fire” planet a few hundred light years away (the Sun) that has been radiating it for a few million years, it’s core, gravity, chemical makeup (chemicals that have sustained since the big bang) than it has to do with the humans (and their technology) that have only existed for an infinitesimal amount of time (comparatively speaking)…
Yes, I mean millions of years of other, larger factors have and will continue to have a greater impact on Earth than you or I… or DOW.
My guess is that bit of logic will be lost on you so by all means, please continue to believe everything you see on TV and read from the Google’s “popular news” feed…
That’s simply not true. Not only do our activities change the very world we live on, but weather and temperature are modified by all kinds of things humans do.
Ah yes, the number 2 myth, I was missing him after all these years.
And please check the linked scientific papers before continuing with your “input”; remember, not being also aware of the levels of information that are available to answer a lot of the myths that the popular press and right wing media have spewed is also a demonstration of ignorance.
I would suggest that anyone who thinks that the sun is a planet may be safely ignored on any topic involving science.
Throwing out random factoids, (many of them wrong), with no actual construction of a thesis is not a “bit of logic.” It is just throwing text out in the hope that someone will be misled by their quantity.
Yeah, but we’re talking about what’s happening now, during our own lifetimes. And it’s been demonstrated that human activity is causing climate to change with unprecedented rapidity compared to the past hundreds of thousands of years. And it should be obvious that what’s currently happening is most important to us, not what happened millions of years ago or what might happen millions of year in the future.
Actually, my conclusion is not based on what I see on TV or on Google. I’m a professional scientist and served on an intergovernmental panel on climate change during the G.H.W. Bush administration, when the issue was already of concern even to a Republican administration. Many of my scientific colleagues are very much involved in current research on rising CO2 and its effects, and I get updates in seminars by them on probably a monthly basis. My reading runs towards Science, Nature, and the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science. So I think I’m fairly well informed about the scientific basis for climate change.
May I ask where exactly you get your information from?
Oh, please. I’m challenging the degree of certainty of the “consensus” he points to. I’m challenging the degree of certainty that should be expected when one wants others to act on beliefs that one has. Pointing that out is valid, lest people think that any counter information will have any effect.
But I’ll leave this discussion alone so the usual suspects can debate the oh-so-important issue of whether climate change is super, super bad or super-duper bad. I’ll restrain myself to viewer-only mode as to not interrupt such an important parsing.
My apologies for thinking that this forum existed to challenge the views of others, your grace.
In the past 100 years we have literally set fire to a significant portion of the planet. We have burned more in that time frame than the rest of human history combined. Where is it you think all that burned up stuff is going?
