# The Climate Nightmare is Here **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 11, 2021, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242 "2021-07-11T22:35:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2021, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242/1 "2021-07-11T22:35:58Z")
> **[Record highs fall in the Southwest as intense heat continues](https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-forecasts/western-us-heat-wave-death-valley-las-vegas/978996)** > > Temperatures tied an all-time record in Las Vegas Saturday and several other record highs were smashed as another brutal heat wave grips the West. This isn’t an anomaly; this is proof of climate change. The Western U.S. has a very, very bleak future, which includes temperatures that humans will simply not be able to survive. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2021, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242/2 "2021-07-11T22:41:28Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > [https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-forecasts/western-us-heat-wave-death-valley-las-vegas/978996](https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-forecasts/western-us-heat-wave-death-valley-las-vegas/978996) > > This isn’t an anomaly; this is proof of climate change. The Western U.S. has a very, very bleak future, which includes temperatures that humans will simply not be able to survive. - The record for DV was set in 1914. Also, Death Valley does not influence the weather for the entire Western portion of the US. This is called a heat wave, it’s happened before, it will happen again. Also, look up the difference between “weather” and “climate.” ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2021, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242/3 "2021-07-11T22:47:14Z")
You will see. The Western United States is approaching total collapse. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2021, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242/4 "2021-07-11T22:49:52Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > The Western United States is approaching total collapse. The Milky Way is approaching the Andromeda galaxy too. At over 100km per second! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2021, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242/5 "2021-07-11T22:50:52Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > You will see. The Western United States is approaching total collapse. - See what? Back in 2006, where I live had 21 days straight of over 100 topping out at 113(new record). Last year(and the year before, etc.), summer temps were normal, _climate_ doesn’t change in one year. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2021, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242/6 "2021-07-11T22:52:31Z")
The actual science does seem to pointing to this heat wave and this long term drought as being powered by climate change. I think **asahi** posts are a bit stronger than science suggests but not without merit at least. A big part of it is the Pacific Northwest experiencing temperatures not seen before. Western Canada also. There have been several articles for legit publication about this lately. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2021, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242/7 "2021-07-11T22:53:49Z")
You have no idea. We’re talking about baked oceans and the collapse of ecosystems. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2021, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242/8 "2021-07-11T23:06:41Z")
Baked sea creatures, too… a billion of them… > **[1 Billion Sea Creatures Cooked To Death In Canada In Record Pacific Northwest...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/billion-sea-creatures-died-vancouver-canada-heat-wave_n_60e798ece4b0adb9cbfada39)** > > “If we don’t like it, then we need to work harder to reduce emissions,” warned the University of British Columbia scientist who calculated the massive toll. But, hey! It’s just normal weather fluctuations, amirite? 🤨 ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2021, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242/9 "2021-07-11T23:09:14Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The record for DV was set in 1914. 1913, actually. July 10, 1913. > [@running\_coach](#): > > Also, Death Valley does not influence the weather for the entire Western portion of the US. But the Western portion of the US may well influence Death Valley… > [@running\_coach](#): > > This is called a heat wave, it’s happened before, it will happen again. Three triple-digit heat waves over extensive areas in one month is a bit out of the norm. But hey, keep telling yourself whatever keeps you comfortable. ---
**Author:** ![Bootb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19b73/32.png) [@Bootb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bootb)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2021, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242/10 "2021-07-11T23:09:33Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > You have no idea. We’re talking about baked oceans and the collapse of ecosystems Here’s an idea – take your baseless fear-mongering someplace else. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2021, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242/11 "2021-07-11T23:13:40Z")
It’s not baseless; it’s based on very obvious science. I’m sorry you don’t like facts. Here’s an idea - take your fact-free worldview some place else. Whaddya say, chum? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2021, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242/12 "2021-07-11T23:23:20Z")
So recent NY Times article: > **[Climate Change Drove Western Heat Wave’s Extreme Records, Analysis Finds...](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/07/climate/climate-change-heat-wave.html)** > > A rapid analysis of last week’s record-breaking heat found that it would have been virtually impossible without the influence of human-caused climate change. Scientific America: [https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/western-heat-wave-virtually-impossible-without-climate-change/](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/western-heat-wave-virtually-impossible-without-climate-change/) And the AP: > **[Study: Northwest heat wave impossible without climate change](https://apnews.com/article/climate-climate-change-science-environment-and-nature-935be069af34aad472074d42097af85e)** > > The deadly heat wave that roasted the Pacific Northwest and western Canada was virtually impossible without human-caused climate change that added a few extra degrees to the record-smashing temperatures, a new quick scientific analysis found. I think these are 3 of the most respected news services. But I’m sure I can find a dozen more. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2021, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242/13 "2021-07-11T23:31:54Z")
> [@Bootb](#): > > > [@asahi](#): > > > > You have no idea. We’re talking about baked oceans and the collapse of ecosystems > > Here’s an idea – take your baseless fear-mongering someplace else. Take your insults and junior modding someplace else. You can disagree with a post without being dismissive of the poster. You are not permitted by the rules of this board to tell other posters to leave the thread. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2021, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242/14 "2021-07-11T23:33:11Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > It’s not baseless; it’s based on very obvious science. I’m sorry you don’t like facts. Here’s an idea - take your fact-free worldview some place else. Whaddya say, chum? Next time, please report the post instead of responding in kind. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2021, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242/15 "2021-07-11T23:54:08Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > See what? Back in 2006, where I live had 21 days straight of over 100 topping out at 113(new record). Last year(and the year before, etc.), summer temps were normal, _climate_ doesn’t change in one year. Except this hasn’t been “one year”, and it isn’t just about you personally reside. In fact, 2014 through 2019 were the hottest years on record (per NOAA NCEI and NASA GISS data as of Janurary 2020, see first link below), 2020 tied with 2016 for hottest year on record (second link below). The US Western ‘heat dome’ aside, 2021 is actually _only_ on track to be in the top 10 hottest years on record (third link). [https://www.climatecentral.org/gallery/graphics/top-10-warmest-years-on-record](https://www.climatecentral.org/gallery/graphics/top-10-warmest-years-on-record) > **[2020 Tied for Warmest Year on Record, NASA Analysis Shows – Climate Change:...](https://climate.nasa.gov/news/3061/2020-tied-for-warmest-year-on-record-nasa-analysis-shows/)** > > Earth’s global average surface temperature in 2020 tied with 2016 as the warmest year on record, according to an analysis by NASA. > **[May 2021 Global Climate Report | National Centers for Environmental...](https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/global/202105)** > > An analysis of global temperatures and precipitation, placing the data into a historical perspective You can, of course, jump up and down and insist that “correlation is not causation”, although that becomes an increasingly untenable argument given the measured rise in anomalous ocean heat content which is strongly correlated to the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide: > **[Empirical evidence that humans are causing global warming](https://skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-global-warming-intermediate.htm)** > > \Direct observations find that CO2 is rising sharply due to human activity. Satellite and surface measurements find less energy is escaping to space at CO2 absorption wavelengths. Ocean and surface temperature measurements find the planet continues... The North American heat dome effect is explicable in terms of large thermal gradients in the Pacific Ocean from west to east. Such gradients can only occur because of disruption of the North Pacific Gyre which would normally cold water down from the Alaskan Stream and Arctic Ocean influx through the Bering Sea. Without colder water to sink and mix down to the thermocline mass exchange layer, the top layer of the ocean does not provide a moderating effect: > **[HEAT.gov - National Integrated Heat Health Information System](https://www.heat.gov/)** > > Heat.gov serves as the premier source of heat and health information for the nation to reduce the health, economic, and infrastructural impacts of extreme heat. Whether the US West Coast is facing ecological catastrophe or will become periodically uninhabitable in some specific timeframe is still an unknown, but these effects are predicted by global climate circulation models in the “Much Worse” (RCP8.5) projections. [https://psl.noaa.gov/people/amy.solomon/pubs/Wainer\_Lazar\_Solomon.pdfhttps://science2017.globalchange.gov/chapter/8/](https://psl.noaa.gov/people/amy.solomon/pubs/Wainer_Lazar_Solomon.pdfhttps://science2017.globalchange.gov/chapter/8/) Even if you believe that temperatures will not rise to a point of preventing human habitability of the region (probably not in the next few decades, at least), the ecosystems, agriculture, and dense urban populations of the West Coast are highly dependent upon water derived from seasonal snowpack, and if that disappears the entire region essentially becomes a large desert. It is scarcely hyperbolic to note that ecosystem collapse for many species is a likely outcome, as are megafires, dry reservoirs, and an inability to sustain one of the largest all-season agricultural regions in the world. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2021, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242/16 "2021-07-12T00:01:27Z")
Just remember that you’re standing On a planet that’s evolving And revolving at a 900 miles an hour… ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2021, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242/17 "2021-07-12T00:03:18Z")
Actually, faster than that at the equator ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2021, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242/18 "2021-07-12T00:06:12Z")
More and more I find myself trying to figure out a way to move north… Sure, there’s climate change up there, too, but at least the temperatures are survivable. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2021, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242/19 "2021-07-12T00:09:11Z")
> [@Dr\_Paprika](#): > > Just remember that you’re standing > On a planet that’s evolving > And revolving at a 900 miles an hour… Actually I think this is more appropriate given the subject matter: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/k22ZqEu3yHM/hqdefault.jpg "Monty Python - Life of Brian (1979) - Final scene") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k22ZqEu3yHM) Stranger ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2021, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242/20 "2021-07-12T00:10:49Z")
The problem is, sooner or later, a lot of other people will have the same idea. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-climate-nightmare-is-here/946242.md?page=2)