# The Clintons and the possible death of their strongest rival?? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 29, 2008, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423 "2008-01-29T05:06:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423/21 "2008-01-29T14:02:33Z")
[QUOTE=Wildfire\*\*MM] 16 - Paula Grober - Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident. [/QUOTE] So they assassinated a woman who used to work as a deaf speech interpreter for him, but they DIDN’T assassinate Monica Lewinsky? Surely we are discussing the dumbest assassination conspirators in world history. Barack Obama has nothing to be worried about, but Bill Clinton’s gardener’s cousin’s dentist might want to watch his back. ---
**Author:** ![Kid\_A\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Kid\_A\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kid_A_1)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423/22 "2008-01-29T14:08:43Z")
[QUOTE=Wildfire\*\*MM] according to some users on Celiberal (from the same thread): answer from user called **Eliotness** Remember, one of the most popular Halloween costumes that year was a Hillary Clinton mask and a Carpet Bag. [/QUOTE] Was this after the Macarena and before the Spice Girls? I’m pretty good at remembering pop-culture trends but I’m blanking out on this. And what the hell is a Carpet Bag? ---
**Author:** ![hotflungwok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/edb3f5/32.png) [@hotflungwok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hotflungwok)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423/23 "2008-01-29T14:24:01Z")
Please tell me this isn’t making the rounds again. This is so much unbelievable bullshit that I really have a hard time understanding how anyone can look at that and think ‘Yeah, it could happen, the Clintons are bad people!’. And yet every time it resurfaces more people see it and spread the word to others. Why can’t this just die. I’ve never heard more pure unreasoned hatred than a Republican talking about the Clintons. Some of the crap I’ve heard attributed to one or the other just amazes me. I had one guy tell me that he heard Hillary say that she was for abortion up to 3 months _after_ birth. I had him repeat the last part. He swears it what she said. The fact people believe this shit doesn’t amaze me, it just makes me sad. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423/24 "2008-01-29T14:31:03Z")
The carpet bag thing is a Reconstruction era reference to Northerners who moved into the South. So it is a joke about Hillary’s 2000 Senate campaign. _Real_ current stuff these days. While I wasn’t that politically aware at that time, I never heard any noises about JFK Jr. running for that Senate seat, and the idea that the Clintons somehow made him crash his plane is silly even by Clinton conspiracy theory standards. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423/25 "2008-01-29T14:38:57Z")
Looking at all the _friends_ of the Clintons that have supposedly died “mysteriously”, you might be able to make a case for a conspiracy _against_ the Clintons. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423/26 "2008-01-29T14:41:06Z")
[QUOTE=Wildfire\*\*MM] The Clintons and the possible death of their strongest rival?? [/QUOTE] McCain’s got cancer? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423/27 "2008-01-29T14:50:31Z")
“Every president gets three secret murders. If you don’t use them by the end of your term – pfft! They’re gone!” – Nelson Muntz ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423/28 "2008-01-29T15:05:15Z")
[QUOTE=zuma] This one is my favorite. I’ve never been able to hear a logical reason why they’d need to shoot him if they were going to crash the plane anyway. [/QUOTE] Not only that, but how did the shooter get out of the plane? Was it a suicide mission? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423/29 "2008-01-29T15:07:08Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] Was it a suicide mission? [/QUOTE] If it was a suicide mission, somebody probably would have found the gun in the wreckage. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423/30 "2008-01-29T15:08:36Z")
[QUOTE=Czarcasm] Looking at all the _friends_ of the Clintons that have supposedly died “mysteriously”, you might be able to make a case for a conspiracy _against_ the Clintons. [/QUOTE] And they got Paul Wellstone, too! ---
**Author:** ![Wee\_Bairn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/90db22/32.png) [@Wee\_Bairn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wee_Bairn)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423/31 "2008-01-29T15:13:18Z")
[QUOTE=Larry Borgia] Most of that list gets a great big :rolleyes: but this pisses me off: As snopes points out, Mary and two co-workers were killed in a stupid robbery. Their deaths were tragic enough, but that they are being used by right-wing creeps in furtherance of their stupid agenda is horrific. Shame on the OP for spreading this nonsense. [/QUOTE] That’s what they want you to think, that it was a stupid robbery… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423/32 "2008-01-29T15:54:21Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] The carpet bag thing is a Reconstruction era reference to Northerners who moved into the South. So it is a joke about Hillary’s 2000 Senate campaign. _Real_ current stuff these days. While I wasn’t that politically aware at that time, I never heard any noises about JFK Jr. running for that Senate seat, and the idea that the Clintons somehow made him crash his plane is silly even by Clinton conspiracy theory standards. [/QUOTE] In 200, I lived in a part of NYS where a little red “Hillary Now!” sticker was affixed to every goddam stop sign in the area. This is the first I’ve heard about this Halloween costume. I mean, literally. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423/33 "2008-01-29T16:08:08Z")
[QUOTE=Kid\_A] And what the hell is a Carpet Bag? [/QUOTE] Literally, a carpet bag is a piece of cheap luggage made by stitching a piece of carpet into a suitcase-like shape. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423/34 "2008-01-29T16:23:22Z")
So–you got this little gem at Celiberal. That’s the “Celebrity Liberal Whine List.” But, even there, an anti-Target thread was stopped cold because one of the members knew about Snopes. And posted an item for item refutation of a pack of lies. Perhaps you’re very young & can’t remember the Clinton Impeachment years. Please, read up on your history! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423/35 "2008-01-29T16:45:15Z")
Remember, please, folks, that the OP does not live in the US and probably didn’t get the unbelievably wearying play-by-play of right-wing smearminess that those of us who do and did live here at the time did. It’s entirely possible that the infamous Clinton Death List is actual news to him. ---
**Author:** ![Wildfire\_MM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f08c70/32.png) [@Wildfire\_MM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wildfire_MM)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423/36 "2008-01-29T16:46:05Z")
I don’t believe it, but I posted it because i’ve never heard about this and therefore wanted to find out of these accusations where usual among republican and if they where known in the american public I know a lot of rep. hate the Clintons, (eapecially Hillary) but I have never fully understand why this hate was so strong. Another thing I just read on wikipedia about Clinton Chronicles (An Investigation into the Alleged Criminal Activities of Bill Clinton ). A video tape launched by right wing extremist Jerry Falwell: "_This video explored the deaths of Vincent Foster and an alleged cocaine-smuggling operation purportedly involving then Governor of Arkansas Bill Clinton.[1] These deaths were part of the conspiracy theory known as the “Clinton Body Count”, which grew as years went by, as connections to Clinton were added with varying degrees of allegedly suspicious circumstances surrounding the deaths._ > **[The Clinton Chronicles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Chronicles)** > > The Clinton Chronicles: An Investigation into the Alleged Criminal Activities of Bill Clinton is a 1994 documentary that accused Bill Clinton of a range of crimes. The claims in the video are controversial; some have been discredited, while others continue to be debated. The philandering and sexual harassment claims in the film have since been reported, and in some cases confirmed, by mainstream media. Years after the film was released, Clinton paid an out-of-court settlement to resolve the accus... ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423/37 "2008-01-29T16:51:17Z")
**Wildfire** , if you can imagine these kind of rumors stretching throughout 9 years of a Clinton candidacy and presidency, then you may have some inkling of what the 90s was like. I mean, Jerry Falwell, an alleged Christian minister, actually backed and sold that videotape as literal truth! The 700 Club (Pat Robertson’s allegedly Christian television show) regularly had segments on the Clintons being in league with Satan and touting that Clinton Body Count mess. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423/38 "2008-01-29T17:27:32Z")
When Falwell and Robertson were issued their Bibles, they put out a signing statement on how they intended to carry out the ninth commandment. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423/39 "2008-01-29T18:21:08Z")
[QUOTE=Ravenman] It’s obvious that the Clintons hate fundraisers… [/QUOTE] “Now… the rest of you are going to **MAKE** your quotas, right…?” ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2008, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423/40 "2008-01-29T18:53:43Z")
I’ve often thought that one of the benefits of a Hillary candidacy would be that the right-wingers would spend most of the year showing their asses.\* It’s hard to exaggerate how ridiculous the anti-Clinton conspiracy hysteria was, and maybe this time around people will see it for what it is. Then again, the media will probably play it up like: “Many say that the trail of bodies left in the Clintons’ wake is proof of their ruthless nature. Others disagree.” - Of course, [Obama seems to bring the worst of the RW nutjobbery to the surface, too](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alec-baldwin/the-ascendancy-of-barack-_b_83682.html). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-clintons-and-the-possible-death-of-their-strongest-rival/435423.md?page=3)