# The Closure of the "Father Solanus Casey Was A Living Saint Thread" **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [July 24, 2022, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493 "2022-07-24T23:31:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493/143 "2022-07-29T21:16:43Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Well that rule change has made the atheists happy. I’m a Christian and it makes me happy. There’s one data point for you. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493/144 "2022-07-29T21:19:04Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Well that rule change has made the atheists happy. Could you please explain how this rule change, > [@Change in Great Debates forum description](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/change-in-great-debates-forum-description/968784/1): > > We’ve changed the Great Debates forum description to read as follows: > > “For long-running discussions of the great questions of our time. This is also the place for religious debates. Other discussion of religion, religious figures, personal beliefs and the like typically belongs in the IMHO or MPSIMS forums.” > > This change does two things: (1) clarifies that Great Debates is for religious debates only, not general discussion of religion, and (2) drops the reference to witnessing, which was not well understood and confused matters. is a win? Note: I’m not asking what you think now I’m asking about what was in your head when you posted this. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493/145 "2022-07-29T21:23:02Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I’m a Christian and it makes me happy. There’s one data point for you I’m a Jew, and it makes me happy as well, so — two? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493/146 "2022-07-29T21:48:44Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Well that rule change has made the atheists happy. I’m an atheist. I was last happy in 1997, specifically June 17th. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493/147 "2022-07-29T22:10:46Z")
Speaking for myself, Jew, I don’t really care about the rule change. I find most witnessing tedious and stupid regardless of forum. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493/148 "2022-07-29T23:45:23Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > This isn’t the place for arguments. That’s down the hall. Read what the nice mod said, please. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493/149 "2022-07-29T23:53:16Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Speaking for myself, Jew, I don’t really care about the rule change. I find most witnessing tedious and stupid regardless of forum Okay, but: there’s a forum for debates, and witnessing isn’t a debate, and witnessing had been a hallmark of that forum and has now been moved out of that forum — and, well, that’s a win for the forces of reason, is what it is. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493/150 "2022-07-29T23:58:04Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > that’s a win for the forces of reason If moving witnessing threads to forums that are even less open to being contentious can be considered a win that is. Not that those two are all snugly puppies and cute kittens but, well, just saying. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2022, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493/151 "2022-07-29T23:59:07Z")
Over say the last two or three years, how many GD witnessing threads would now be in a different forum? I don’t think very many but it could easily be that I missed a lot of them. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2022, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493/152 "2022-07-30T00:12:29Z")
I think once upon a time great debates was for anything that doesn’t really have an answer, so witnessing went there. Now it’s restricted to actual debates. So witnessing really doesn’t fit. The mods discussed the issue, and agreed that stating a strongly held opinion generally belongs in IMHO, and testifying about the effect of something on your life generally belongs in MPSIMS. So we think that even if those threads are opinions about religion, or the good that your religion has brought you, they belong where other threads of that general nature belong. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2022, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493/153 "2022-07-30T00:12:34Z")
There hasn’t been a lot of witnessing threads. Oddly enough **Jim\_B** started one of them and it was far less rambling and would have been a good fit for IMHO. But I moved it to GD based on our rules. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2022, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493/154 "2022-07-30T00:14:57Z")
I’m a Jewish atheist, and I’m happy, so I’m not sure if that’s another point or not. (But count me among those who isn’t clear why moving witnessing threads out of GD would specifically make atheists happy. Would love an explanation.) ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2022, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493/155 "2022-07-30T00:19:14Z")
Yeah, i don’t see that, either. Except that i think it should make most posters happy to have religious threads treated like normal threads, rather than have a subset of religious threads have a weird exception. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2022, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493/156 "2022-07-30T00:19:15Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > (But count me among those who isn’t clear why moving witnessing threads out of GD would specifically make atheists happy. Would love an explanation.) Apparently an explanation requires someone getting into an argument . . . with who is also an interesting unanswered question. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2022, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493/157 "2022-07-30T00:22:30Z")
> [@DocCathode](#): > > Speaking for myself, Jew, I don’t really care about the rule change. I find most witnessing tedious and stupid regardless of forum. Agreed with all of this, with the addition that I find witnessing threads tedious not only because witnessing itself is tedious and stupid, but because the inevitably tired and repetitive pile-ons are equally tedious. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2022, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493/158 "2022-07-30T00:27:30Z")
A lot of people are addicted to feeling persecuted. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2022, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493/159 "2022-07-30T00:33:24Z")
> [@Chingon](#): > > A lot of people are addicted to feeling persecuted Some of them want to use you; some of them want to get used by you. Some of them want to abuse you; some of them want to be abused. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2022, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493/160 "2022-07-30T00:44:15Z")
> **[Christian persecution complex](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_persecution_complex)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > > Christian persecution complex is the belief, attitude, or world view that Christian values and Christians are being oppressed by social groups and governments in the West. This belief is promoted by certain American Protestant churches, and some Christian- or Bible-based groups in Europe. It has been called the "Evangelical", "American Christian" or "Christian right" persecution complex. > According to New Testament scholar Candida Moss the Christ... _If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you: ‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you._ John 15:19–20 For some Christians being persecuted/hated is a feature not a bug and any criticism of any of their positions is by definition persecution/hatred of their Christianity and never that their position is in itself loathsome. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2022, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493/161 "2022-07-30T00:47:59Z")
Reference noted ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2022, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-closure-of-the-father-solanus-casey-was-a-living-saint-thread/968493/162 "2022-07-30T00:52:36Z")
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