# The completely smug density of right wingers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 29, 2022, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122 "2022-06-29T16:28:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122/121 "2022-07-28T01:57:20Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > He said that his relatives claim that the Pacific Northwest is a “liberal hellhole”. I just asked him to look around and judge for himself. He’s said he’d like to move up here someday. That’s awesome. I’ve given money to that summer camp in Israel where Palestinian children and Jewish Israeli children get to know each other as human beings. Maybe someone should start a fund to help Deep Red youth immersively visit Deep Blue locales, and vice-versa. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122/122 "2022-07-28T09:11:09Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Maybe someone should start a fund to help Deep Red youth immersively visit Deep Blue locales Or as the far-right currently call this sort of thing, “grooming”. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122/123 "2022-07-28T09:22:22Z")
Hah! Good point. Remember that idiotic rumor that the Obamas were setting up re-education camps? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122/124 "2022-07-28T11:32:48Z")
You didn’t know that he was a vocal promoter of the racist birther conspiracy theory when Obama was president? Read a newspaper for fuck’s sake. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122/125 "2022-07-28T12:14:42Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Read a newspaper for fuck’s sake. Or Wikipedia for fucking fuck’s sake, > **[List of conspiracy theories promoted by Donald Trump](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories_promoted_by_Donald_Trump)** > > Donald Trump, the 45th and 47th president of the United States, has created or promoted many deceptive or disproven conspiracy theories, to a degree unprecedented in American politics. > Donald Trump has encouraged individuals who spread conspiracy theories. ## Conspiracy theories ### Attacks on political opponents #### Barack Obama - [Obama citizenship conspiracy theories](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#Donald_Trump), aka “Birtherism”[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories_promoted_by_Donald_Trump#cite_note-24theories-1)[[2]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories_promoted_by_Donald_Trump#cite_note-beenright-2) - Support for [ISIS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State) conspiracy theory[[4]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories_promoted_by_Donald_Trump#cite_note-4)[[5]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories_promoted_by_Donald_Trump#cite_note-5) #### Hillary and Bill Clinton - [Clinton Body Count](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Body_Count)[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories_promoted_by_Donald_Trump#cite_note-24theories-1)[[6]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories_promoted_by_Donald_Trump#cite_note-6) - [Epstein didn’t kill himself](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epstein_didn%27t_kill_himself)[[7]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories_promoted_by_Donald_Trump#cite_note-7) - [Suicide of Vince Foster](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Vince_Foster)[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories_promoted_by_Donald_Trump#cite_note-24theories-1) - [Murder of Seth Rich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich)[[8]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories_promoted_by_Donald_Trump#cite_note-8) ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122/126 "2022-07-28T12:28:06Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > No. They voted for him because of who and what he is and, more importantly, the prejudices he has which just so happen to be the same prejudices they have. Yup. I don’t follow the news terribly close, I certainly don’t follow the ‘socialite’ circle, but I’ve always known that Trump is Scum. Or, not scum so much as a self aggrandizing blowhard. Then I watched the 2016 debates and quickly realized that he was a moron too. Trump supporters like him because they want to be just like him. Fall into a pile of money and then spend your life cheating people. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122/127 "2022-07-28T12:30:49Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > And there is a decent helping of blaming the liberals for dumping hot sauce in the food, or undoing your laces, and for spiking your tequila. That isn’t the garnish IME, it’s the main ingredient of the dish. One thing I’ve noticed from the right wing forums is that there are _no_ general problems that everyone agrees we need to solve together. _Every_ problem is caused by the other tribe: democrats, blacks / latinos (not all forums are overtly racist, but many are. The less overtly racist will focus on “immigrants”), “lefties”, supposed “communists”. In their view, the only thing we need to do to make america great is hurt the bad tribe more. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122/128 "2022-07-28T12:31:26Z")
The more I think about, the more I think that the people fooled by Trump are establishment liberals like Jon Stewart who insist that Trump voters aren’t racists. The Trump voters knew who they were voting for and got what they wanted, but there is this entrenched layer of old white left of center types who refuse to believe that tens of millions of Americans are fascists. ---
**Author:** ![irae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f0a364/32.png) [@irae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irae)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122/129 "2022-07-28T14:01:28Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Remember that idiotic rumor that the Obamas were setting up re-education camps? Pretty certain those would just be regular old education camps, as it obviously didn’t take the first time. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122/130 "2022-07-28T14:17:43Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > there is this entrenched layer of old white left of center types who refuse to believe that tens of millions of Americans are fascists. At least they know what fascists are, and why they’re bad. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122/131 "2022-07-28T14:37:07Z")
Speaking of education, you don’t have to be a “certified” teacher anymore. You don’t have to go to teaching college, nor even have a Bachelors degree. You just have to be “in” college. Thanks Governor Douchey. Arizona teachers will only need to be in college to start teaching in classrooms under a new law signed by Gov. Doug Ducey. SB 1159, introduced by State Senator Rick Gray, allows people without a bachelor’s degree to start and finish their training as a teacher while in college. The bill also allows educators with expired licenses to renew their license more easily. “For the past eight years, we have made it a priority to give our kids a high-quality education, and this legislation builds on those actions,” Ducey said. “S.B. 1159 will ensure that more Arizonans have the opportunity to pursue a career in education and help get our kids caught up.” ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122/132 "2022-07-28T15:10:28Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > You didn’t know that he was a vocal promoter of the racist birther conspiracy theory when Obama was president? Read a newspaper for fuck’s sake. In retrospect, Trump is important. In the moment (pre-2016 campaign), he’s some rich guy who was big in the 80s who’s now a reality TV star. Even if I happened to care enough to read an article somewhere that said “Donald Trump said X”, I would have had zero reason to retain or remember it an instant later. Y’all need to get some perspective about the massive amount of information there is out there to know, the different channels people might or might not be paying attention to in any given moment, and how likely we are to retain or care about any random piece of the barrage of data we receive. Most Americans don’t know who their local house reps are. Most Americans can’t name their US house reps. You expect people to retain what they might have seen or heard once on the news in 2010 about something some rich celebrity said about the president? You want to call people morons who couldn’t have told you much about Donald Trump prior to 2016? You have a pretty low bar for moron-hood. Unless you were in his direct sphere of influence, any piece of information about Trump prior to his campaign for 2016 was as relevant and important as celebrity gossip you try to retain so your team can win trivia on Tuesday nights. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122/133 "2022-07-28T15:39:25Z")
> [@Eonwe](#): > > Y’all need to get some perspective about the massive amount of information there is out there to know, Precisely. In 2001 trump was one of many minor celebrities all across the country that said or did stupid things, or just things. No more or less important than, say Paris Hilton or Charlton Heston. Rudi Colludi was the People’s Mayor, not the ghoulish Simon Bar Sinister lookalike lawyer with dementia and ooze leaking out his head that he has come to be known as. (He also got name-dropped on L&O, like trump, but then again, that show is written and filmed in NYC, so the bias is insidious.) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122/134 "2022-07-28T15:40:11Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > You didn’t know that he was a vocal promoter of the racist birther conspiracy theory when Obama was president? Read a newspaper for fuck’s sake. Even if I had known nothing about Trump prior to 2016, _this alone_ should have disqualified him. The fact that he was willing to gin up a racist, completely false out-of-the-blue narrative against Obama (courtesy of our old friend, Jerome Corsi, who also authored the Swift Boating of John Kerry) should have been disqualifying on its face. The fact that so many voters ignored this has appalled me for years. I knew a lot more about Trump despite living in the West all my life, but I’ve sadly come to accept I’m better informed than a lot of people. I knew he couldn’t obtain loans from American banks and was being funded by Russians. I also knew what this meant with respect to him being compromised by them. I did not ignore the statement made by the Obama Administration on October 7, 2016, that all of our national security agencies agreed with a high level of certainty that Russia was working to subvert our 2016 election. Apparently most of the rest of the country did. So yeah, a country filled with racist, ignorant morons. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122/135 "2022-07-28T15:47:08Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > The fact that so many voters ignored this has appalled me for years. They didn’t ignore it: it was what they liked about him. Stop pretending people voting for/supporting Trump are decent people. They know exactly what they are voting for. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122/136 "2022-07-28T15:48:28Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > Stop pretending people voting for/supporting Trump are decent people. They know exactly what they are voting for. Easier said than done when 2 of them are your parents. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Librarian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_librarian/32/402_2.png) [@The\_Librarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Librarian)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122/137 "2022-07-28T15:54:35Z")
I sympathize. Still, they were not fooled, they didn’t “ignore” anything. They just liked what they saw. They are not children. All of them are in it for the racism, the sexism and other bigotry AND/OR they are in it for the opportunity for grift. Nobody heard his speech announcing he was going to run and thought “what a nice man”. It was always about bigotry and fleecing the rubes. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122/138 "2022-07-28T15:55:01Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Even if I had known nothing about Trump prior to 2016, _this alone_ should have disqualified him. Exactly! It’s not that we’re expecting the US masses to have known a lot about Trump before early 2020. It’s that almost anything they DID know about him, should have eliminated him as someone to consider voting for President. From early 2020 onward, of course, there is no excuse whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122/139 "2022-07-28T15:56:26Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Easier said than done when 2 of them are your parents. {hugs} Seriously, that’s rough. I don’t know how I’d reconcile this. It would haunt me terribly. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2022, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122/140 "2022-07-28T15:58:32Z")
> [@The\_Librarian](#): > > Stop pretending people voting for/supporting Trump are decent people. They know exactly what they are voting for. Stop pretending everybody is the same. The people I work with voted for trump the first time because of only two things: R, and NotHillary. They don’t know about the rest. These are people that don’t even know who their congressman is, let alone that he’s the worst one in all of Congress. And we had our own Birther out here that talked louder and closer than trump. And you know what - we, all of Maricopa County, ousted that nutjob in the election. For a democrat. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-completely-smug-density-of-right-wingers/967122.md?page=8)