Did I give you the impression that I’m lacking in any of those qualities? My mistake if I did.
Look, I don’t want the Scientology program. Can’t I just get the accelerated version of whatever it is you’re selling?
Did I give you the impression that I’m lacking in any of those qualities? My mistake if I did.
Look, I don’t want the Scientology program. Can’t I just get the accelerated version of whatever it is you’re selling?
Are you wishing I have an interesting dream like you did, or are you wishing that I come close enough to death to have what some call an “NDE”?
He saw God. That’s pretty much it. He saw God, and so he knows that God is real, and that God is love, and nothing anyone can say will make him believe otherwise. The problem is, nothing he can say is at all convincing to anyone else.
Makes me think of dear Uncle Ned, who once shot a moose in his pajamas, and who has retold the story at every Thanksgiving dinner for the last twenty nine years. Harmless, if a bit tiresome.
How did the moose get in his pajamas?
You’ve met my uncle!
Is he my dad?
Where did suggest it was all faith in Religion?
To be truthful, You do not know anything about the God you believe in. You bring no truth or proven facts, One can take a person to the ocean and show it to them, you can’t do that with God, just believe. You got the idea of a God from other people and they too went on faith, Believing some other human. Or used their own idea of what Got is. Because some one wrote that God said or did something is not a proven fact, and there is just as much reason to believe that an angel dictated a book to Muhammad as there is in the writers of the Bible. God would not be that contradictory nor that mean and spiteful, if he is all knowing ,loving and just.
What some call is experience is Illusion, alcoholics some times see rats etc. they are not experiencing anything real. Seeing an oasis in a desert as an oasis but a mirage, and they could well die of thirst if they followed that. So what one experiences is not necessarily truth ,just Belief or hope. the mind can be easily tricked!
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God IS beyond belief but not beyond experience. Trust me.
Aloha
Why? Because you say so?
Evidence suggests it’s the other way around.
To use the existing analogy, I can show you the ocean if you don’t believe that an ocean exists. But you cannot show me god. So how can I trust you?
thats a non-sequitor - “if it can be experienced, it can be believed” - just ask your buddy lekatt - but there in lies the rub - not every experience is ‘believable’ (again, refer to lekatt and dreams, illusions, etc) - I had a vision the other night of fighitng zombies on a starship with god - would you suggest that was a believable experience? it certainly felt real at the time I experienced it - and I’m fairly certain that if an EEG was hooked up - there would have been objective evidence that I ‘experienced’ something -
So - this is yet another bit of nonsense.
See lekatt? Remember that video! Aloha
How about putting the pom-poms down, ceasing with the “Go lekatt! Go!” cheerleader chants, and responding directly to points others have been making?
It has always amazed me that people with no experience know what people with experience have experienced. It is like if I haven’t experienced it then it is impossible to experience. There is a higher level of awareness that you are missing and therefor believe doesn’t exist. In time, in time.
The pedantic reason is that if what you claim is true, it would be replicated. Ocam also explains why it is not amazing why other more simple explanations are more reliable to depend upon, so at that basic level you are wrong.
What time and history have showed me is that before many of those “higher” levels of awareness were also called mysteries, but then when anesthesia and cures for venereal diseases were found by science, those that claimed to be in contact with those higher powers told us that we should ***not ***cure or prevent pain as it was the deserved punishment for the sinners.
After almost more than one hundred years of ignoring those higher powers I have to say that many that claim to be in close contact with those higher levels in reality do not have a clue.
Expected reply. The fact that you never asked one serious question is evidence.
Where is the love in that rude reply?
I’m not asking questions, I’m only saying why it is silly to act as if there is no reason why many who investigate what you demand to be “experiences” have other simple explanations.
And that is based on the recorded experience of phenomena that can be repeated, explained properly, and what history reports.
That a belief of yours, so actually has no meaning to me. An experience can be the same as a dream. One can go to a mental hospital and see what they thought was experience. It is more possible for a called experience to be an illusion. If a person likes to live that way and think that, I have no quarrel with their beliefs,
I personally like to have truth not fiction and if something is proven true then I accept it. Because some human thousands of years ago said God told him to kill his son, but the same God knew ahead of time that the human would do it if he hadn’t stopped it, seems more like what another human would do, not an All knowing ,l loving, and Just being would do. One has no way of knowing what is from God and what is from their or another human’s doing.