# The Creationists ride again - on Jesus Horses **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 31, 2006, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759 "2006-07-31T19:23:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759/21 "2006-07-31T22:03:45Z")
Head _hurt_! **TDN** mean! **Count Blucher** mean! My cellar, my house: same same big. Build cellar bigger than house? Why build cellar? Tie bait to ground. Velociraptor come, tear Alan Grant and Amy Grant to pieces. Drop house. Smoosh velociraptor. Open tourist attraction: Grants Tomb. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759/22 "2006-07-31T22:26:56Z")
The sad thing is, most priests and ministers would roll their eyes at such a “museum”. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759/23 "2006-07-31T22:27:38Z")
> [@Slacker](#): > > Here’s a hint: > > She was his sister! :eek: > > You’re a rabid conservative and a Christian hater? That’s gotta be tough! Not Christians. All organized religions. And the two points of view are not mutually exclusive. Obviously, I am not one of the religious whackos that the Republicans have gotten in bed with. And that action was one of the stupidest things the Republicans have ever done. ---
**Author:** ![Walter\_Windchill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Walter\_Windchill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walter_Windchill)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759/24 "2006-07-31T22:29:27Z")
Why is that sad? I hope they would. I went to a Catholic University that put the highest premium on intellectual life. It saddens me that because of junk like this, people think Christians can’t think, which they very much can and do. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759/25 "2006-07-31T22:30:25Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > From the SDMB, January 2, 2005: [Museum exhibit to show dinosaurs and man co-existing](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=294841). > > Has it finally opened, or something? Why is this news, again? It’s worth Pitting any time it shows up in the news. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759/26 "2006-07-31T22:43:21Z")
> [@Walter Windchill](#): > > Why is that sad? I hope they would. > > I went to a Catholic University that put the highest premium on intellectual life. It saddens me that because of junk like this, people think Christians can’t think, which they very much can and do. Something like 50% of all Americans could be considered Creationists. It’s sad in the sense that if most of them listened to their priest or minister, they wouldn’t be! ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759/27 "2006-07-31T22:56:45Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > It’s worth Pitting any time it shows up in the news. I was not challenging your pitting. I was wondering why there was another story on the thing, given that it has not yet opened and that there seems to be no milepost event connected to its construction, this week. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759/28 "2006-07-31T23:26:11Z")
> [@](#): > > **Clothahump** : Obviously, I am not one of the religious whackos that the Republicans have gotten in bed with. And it wasn’t the religious whackos that came up with the term “Jesus horses,” now, was it? That was SNL. What kind of whacko are you and what have you been in bed with? Nevermind. I know to you I’m just another fan who shares your contempt for Creationism. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759/29 "2006-07-31T23:26:16Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Open tourist attraction: Grants Tomb. Who would be buried in it? ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759/30 "2006-07-31T23:46:36Z")
What’s sad to me is that $25 million was spent on spreading ignorance. That money could been used to fight ignorance, like, say, by replacing the hamsters running this board with a server farm, making the board free again, and hiring more moderators and actually paying them. With just a tiny fraction of that money, this board could be the biggest one on the internet, and fighting ignorance to a degree never dreamt of. Instead, they bring a B.C. comic to life. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759/31 "2006-07-31T23:51:54Z")
> [@garygnu](#): > > There’s always the really [fun and geeky](http://www.thebricktestament.com/) way to learn about Bible stories. You can skip right to the Creation story [here](http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/garden_of_eden/gn02_04-06.html). Or, you can go with the [adorably sacreligious.](http://www.holybibble.net/index.php?id=1) ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2006, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759/32 "2006-07-31T23:58:20Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Who would be buried in it? The house broken velociraptor upthread. ---
**Author:** ![Ins\_Outs\_What-have-yous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8797f3/32.png) [@Ins\_Outs\_What-have-yous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ins_Outs_What-have-yous)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759/33 "2006-08-01T00:40:49Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Something like 50% of all Americans could be considered Creationists. Could be? Why is that? According to whom? Would you care to elaborate upon this assertion? In 2001, 54% of the U.S. adult population identified themselves as non-Catholic Christians ([cite](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States)). I would find it very difficult to believe that over 90% of them could be considered creationists. Even here in Kentucky, most of the Christians I’ve met do not interpret the Bible literally and believe Creationism to be fact (just my own anecdotal evidence FWIW). > [@Walter Windchill](#): > > Well, the museum IS in Kentucky, so I don’t think there’ll be much controversey. Keep this pitting directed at the Ken Ham and his Creationist cohorts and fellow fundies funding his ‘museum’ project. Leave the rest of Kentucky out of this. Also, \*controversy \*only has just one ‘e’ in it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759/34 "2006-08-01T00:53:27Z")
> [@ArchitectChore](#): > > Could be? Why is that? According to whom? Would you care to elaborate upon this assertion? > > In 2001, 54% of the U.S. adult population identified themselves as non-Catholic Christians ([cite](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States)). I would find it very difficult to believe that over 90% of them could be considered creationists. Even here in Kentucky, most of the Christians I’ve met do not interpret the Bible literally and believe Creationism to be fact (just my own anecdotal evidence FWIW). Why do you assume that Catholics can’t be creationists? They shouldn’t be, but many are. I would say that if you think [God created humans in their present form, you’re a creationist.](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/22/opinion/polls/main657083.shtml) 55% of Americans think that. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759/35 "2006-08-01T00:59:21Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Why do you assume that Catholics can’t be creationists? They shouldn’t be, but many are. There’s nothing in Catholic doctrine that says you _cab’t_ be a creationist. The Church does not actually take an official position on the truth of evolution but only says that it doesn’t conflict with Catholic teaching. You can actually believe either way without being a heretic. The only thing the Church insists on is a belief that God created the universe and created the human soul. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759/36 "2006-08-01T01:34:44Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > There’s nothing in Catholic doctrine that says you _cab’t_ be a creationist. The Church does not actually take an official position on the truth of evolution but only says that it doesn’t conflict with Catholic teaching. You can actually believe either way without being a heretic. The only thing the Church insists on is a belief that God created the universe and created the human soul. I probably should have said “needn’t be”. Still, the Catholic Church does not teach creationism, and I suspect that many Catholics who believe in it think they are following the Church’s teachings. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759/37 "2006-08-01T01:40:11Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > There’s nothing in Catholic doctrine that says you _cab’t_ be a creationist. The Church does not actually take an official position on the truth of evolution but only says that it doesn’t conflict with Catholic teaching. You can actually believe either way without being a heretic. The only thing the Church insists on is a belief that God created the universe and created the human soul. I think I read in the papers, one of the first things Benedict XVI did as pope was declare that intelligent-design theory is consistent with Catholic doctrine. Can’t find a cite, though. At least he’s not supporting young-Earth creationism. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759/38 "2006-08-01T01:42:53Z")
> [@Revtim](#): > > What’s sad to me is that $25 million was spent on spreading ignorance. That money could been used to fight ignorance, like, say, by replacing the hamsters running this board with a server farm, making the board free again, and hiring more moderators and **actually paying them.** \*bolding mine-sc Can I subscribe to your newsletter? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759/39 "2006-08-01T01:50:06Z")
An admirable suggestion, but perhaps a more practical approach would be not to buy the servers at Radio Shack. I don’t think upgrading the hamsters will do it this time. ---
**Author:** ![Ins\_Outs\_What-have-yous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/8797f3/32.png) [@Ins\_Outs\_What-have-yous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ins_Outs_What-have-yous)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2006, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759/40 "2006-08-01T02:25:12Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > Why do you assume that Catholics can’t be creationists? They shouldn’t be, but many are. I would say that if you think [God created humans in their present form, you’re a creationist.](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/22/opinion/polls/main657083.shtml) 55% of Americans think that. Thank you for elaborating; your point is clear now. I was assuming creationists to be those who believe God created humans _as described in Genesis_. The linked survey defines creationists in broader terms. According to that same survey, 37% of Americans favor teaching Creationism instead of evolution. :eek: [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-creationists-ride-again-on-jesus-horses/366759.md?page=3)