# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 101
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2001 "2009-05-28T01:13:08Z")
Peeker? I just want to point out that if I had been first on the claim list and had taken this long, we would have gotten a post from peeker saying, “waht’s up ma? takin a long time to write up your fake claim?” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2002 "2009-05-28T01:15:48Z")
ok in two parts because they seem to be contradictory. The correct role PM: You are Reverend Dimmesdale. Right now, you are acting pure, and technically, you are. But you want to be with the other sinners. You can do that if you become infected. And when you turn, investigators will still think you’re pure. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2003 "2009-05-28T01:18:12Z")
and then i got this: Last night * * * You felt a faint healing feeling as you woke up. so you folks can tell me what it means. ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2004 "2009-05-28T01:20:01Z")
I can hardly wait for the rest of the claims at this rate. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2005 "2009-05-28T01:22:29Z")
OK, just teasing by the way, peeker. Who is next? AllWalker? By the way, what does that second PM mean, peeker? Any idea? ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2006 "2009-05-28T01:24:19Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > OK, just teasing by the way, peeker. Who is next? > > AllWalker? > > By the way, what does that second PM mean, peeker? Any idea? not a fucking clue. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2007 "2009-05-28T01:33:02Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > I can hardly wait for the rest of the claims at this rate. Good, because I can’t wait to claim. _clears throat_ The Scum made a mistake in killing **Chronos** last Night, rest his soul. They should have killed me. I am Governor Bellingham, the **Town Cop**. Yes, that’s right, Cop. But there is a problem - I can only determine what each player _started out_ as. In other words, if I investigate someone who has been sinfected in the course of the game, they will be read as Town. Also, if I am ostracized I am able to perform one investigation which will be discovered by Town the next Day. Here is a list of my investigations (ignoring dead players): Semi-confirmed (ie, started as Town. Not Blackhearts, but may be sinfected): **Peekercpa** Confirmed Blackheart: **Rysto** - this was as a result of last Night’s investigation Confirmed Sinner: none Untested: **BillMC (paulwhoisaghost) Inner Stickler Joey P. Mahaloth Thing Fish** So if we assume 4 BH and 2 Original Sinners, then in the Untested list there will be 3 BH, 1 OS and 1 Town/Sinfected player. If there were 3 Original Sinners the entire Untested list needs to be culled. But, knowing what I know, we will start with my first investigation to turn up Scum. **Vote Rysto** ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2008 "2009-05-28T01:35:18Z")
NETA: Oh, I forgot **Meeko** - he is Untested, but is pretty much confirmed. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2009 "2009-05-28T01:37:07Z")
Trying a gambit, AllWalker? Shall I claim now, or wait my turn? ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2010 "2009-05-28T01:41:29Z")
Screw it, it’s of no benefit for me to wait. Guys, I am the doctor. AllWalker’s lying scum. I can prove it, too. Night One, I self protected. Night Two, I protected Meeko(everybody knows that, of course). Night Three, I protected peeker. Night Four, I protected Meeko. peeker and Meeko can confirm that they got PMs the nights I protected them. My role PM said that they were supposed to say that they woke up with a “slightly healed feeling”, which I breadcrumbed back on Day Three(give me a minute and I’ll find it). Apparently, ped has been loose with his wording. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2011 "2009-05-28T01:43:05Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > That’s good to know. Telecontar easily could have been our only protective role. However, I’d suggest that whoever wakes up with a slightly healed feeling in subsequent Nights stay quiet: we don’t want to give the scum any insights into our doctor’s thinking, so that they have a harder time outguessing him. The breadcrumb. Meeko, for the love of God, tell me that ped got the wording in your PM correct. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2012 "2009-05-28T01:44:36Z")
By the way, AllWalker, were are the rest of your investigations? There’s been 4 Nights, I only see 2 investigations there. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2013 "2009-05-28T01:53:34Z")
For the sceptical among you, look back over my posts where I quote the quote count. They all have the same structure, in which I hide the results of my invetigations. Starting with #1043: (bolding and italics added, bleached) > [@AllWalker](#): > > I worry about this. > > _ **Paul** _ could be a useful antisin weapon. _ **I** _f he is telling the truth, but let’s assume that he is. _ **S** _ure, his powers can also be pro-sin, but I think we should hang onto him… at least for a little while. _ **T** _o get rid of him now would be premature. _ **O** _stracize him later - he is probably an attractive target for sinfection - but for now, at least, I feel it would be a mistake. _ **W** _ith less than 4 hours left, though, I don’t think my case will get across in time. _ **N** _ightfall approaches. > > I, at least, will try to save him - I really think his claimed powers are useful. > > Unvote Joey P > > Vote Captain Pinkies\*\* Looking at the main paragraph, I mention **paul 1** then a series of sentences, the first letter of each spells IS TOWN. I do this once a Day, in the posts where I quote the vote count. And I’ll point out, **paul 1** was Town. My other breadcrumbs are equally as accurate. As for the rest of my investigations, they are all dead now. But check my breadcrumbs, you will find one per Day. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2014 "2009-05-28T02:00:18Z")
NETA: That first sentence should be quote the vote count. Also refer to posts #1354 where I breadcrumb about Chronos, and 1817 where I breadcrumb peeker. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2015 "2009-05-28T02:01:00Z")
Holy shit! I don’t know what to believe about this. Oh my God! ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2016 "2009-05-28T02:06:33Z")
AllWalker, it’s the easiest thing in the world for scum to predict that a player is Town. Especially with a Sinner dead Day Two. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2017 "2009-05-28T02:07:20Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Screw it, it’s of no benefit for me to wait. Guys, I am the doctor. AllWalker’s lying scum. > > I can prove it, too. Night One, I self protected. Night Two, I protected Meeko(everybody knows that, of course). Night Three, I protected peeker. Night Four, I protected Meeko. peeker and Meeko can confirm that they got PMs the nights I protected them. My role PM said that they were supposed to say that they woke up with a “slightly healed feeling”, which I breadcrumbed back on Day Three(give me a minute and I’ll find it). Apparently, ped has been loose with his wording. Wow, I am getting better at this game. Rysto, I was working on finalizing this assumption. Back when I BOLDLY agreed to Mahaloth, I was hoping you would sense that I was actually talking to you through my remarks to Mahaloth onyour statement, that the doctor should not claim, and wait till he came in the line. \*\* I was hopefully telling Mahaloth “Yes, I Think he is the doctor also”. Mahaloth, did I succeed here? \*\* I figured you were the doctor, and you were probably glad to see that I right out guessed at your position in the list. I was Asking who got protected last night, because I know that I did. Once again you sense protection on yourself this morning. I figured if I asked who got protected, and they answered, I would have them in a lie. But yes, I would at this point say that Rysto is indeed a Doctor. I am not sure about anything else (Allignment) but I figured that Rysto had protected me, more than once. Rysto, I am simply stating the facts here, I don’t want to get caught up in WIFOM on if I can further deduce your allignment. I just knew for 97% certain you could protect me. My Brain was doing the math over and over again: No one else knew at the point I ask, if anyone was protected. Rysto played it neutral, much like I did with asking. In this way, he wouldn’t give himself away. Yet, he did. I deduced that no one else HAD to make that statement. The Doctor HAD to. Rysto figured that Claiming was comming up. \*\*So he decided to double move. \*\* [[My god, was that THIS game where I rambled on and on about ““ **Double Move** ”” ? Mahaloth, help me out here, Was it this Mafia game, or Haggle? In any event, that phrase feels like 100 years old now.]] Rysto probably figured he get another message in at the same time. He told the game that the Doctor could claim, and that the person he healed. This also clued me in, for me to shut my trap here. At the end of the day, I figured, there would be no real reason for Rysto to post, unless he was the Doctor. There would be no real reason for him to care about sending the extra message to me, unless he was the doctor. I can’t retrace my steps exactly, but I figured this must be where he was going. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2018 "2009-05-28T02:10:05Z")
Breadcrumbs this, Breadcrumbs that. Are you guys still not seeing the entire LOAF of bread I left right as night ended last night? Really?! ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2019 "2009-05-28T02:17:44Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > AllWalker, it’s the easiest thing in the world for scum to predict that a player is Town. Especially with a Sinner dead Day Two. Yes, that’s the annoying part. My first investigations all turned up Town. Ordinarily, I’d offer to sacrifice myself by ostracising. That way my status would be confirmed, I would leave one last investigation for the Town, and things would be smiley face for the good guys. Unfortunately we are at LyLo. So, that is not something I can agree to. It is entirely possible that **Rysto** is some kind of Miller Doctor, which would a cruel, malicious twist on behalf of ped. OTOH, **Rysto** could be BH false claiming. The phrase “slightly healed” might not be refering to Doctor protection - perhaps the Scum have a way to purge Sin, leading to a “slightly healed” PM. I don’t know, but both my own breadcrumbs and **Rysto** ’s are less than solid. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2020 "2009-05-28T02:22:25Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > Unfortunately we are at LyLo. We are? Thanks for the info, scum. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=100) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=102)