# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 102
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2021 "2009-05-28T02:27:00Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > We are? Thanks for the info, scum. I placed my list with most scummy at the top, again, I knew that Chronos was the politician, so I put him at the bottom. Remember, I was thinking that Mahaloth was a pro town power role. Notice who is on the list after Peeker. Notice who has frankly, bent over backwards to answer all of my questions. Who also wanted me to list the claim list before Dawn. If we lynch Allwalker now, he wouldn’t bleed blood, he would bleed quasi-town cred. **Vote AllWalker** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2022 "2009-05-28T02:30:38Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > It would seem that this is my death. I have a few words before I leave you. > lease read this ven if veryone an not comprend. ventually you > I have prepared this statement in advance. I am only posting it now. > will ecognize what I am doing. hen you ll isten with aution, > I have had many versions of what my last post was going to be. > nergize your esponse. Ust be sure you bserve verything ou see. > But, after scrutiny, this post seems to be the best option for Town, Meeko, and Mafia in general. > lan accordingly. The roblem lways nderstands, earn from it.The > Time was always against me in this game. I intend to make it work for me now. > roblem lways nderstands, earn from it.The roblem lways nderstands, > Let me take the time here, to reflect on what I have learned in this game. First, on playing the game: > earn from it.The thing is this, ind out and nvestigate, eek elp. > The better players look beyond what players are saying. They get behind the words. > dentifty ew otifications veryone ecognizes and stick with them. > But, the players can only take the game so far. The context in which we meet must go further. > ecall what ou ee ranslate everything mitted. aster ll inderence > The color in game was hard to get at first. Soon enough, we all figured out how it would be used. > and nalyze eading bservations - hey elp too. > Even in my death, Sinners and Blackhearts were always the farthest out from me. > onsider the idden, ework the bfuscation, evermind the rganized > At last, my time draws to a close. but allow me one final comment: > tandards .Ironically, y ccentric xacerbation an nly help. > Mark my words, Town will turn this game around. > > -Meeko > > Who figures he could keep going on and on, but at some point, he must trust that his actions will live on after he does. You guys have a lot of things left to digest in this game. Its complicated, but since we are all talking bread crumbs here. Here you go. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2023 "2009-05-28T02:33:50Z")
NETA : Chronos, \*\*I WANT TO BE CLEAR HERE \*\*, was this the post you wanted? and If you guys see Hansel and Gretel, have them respond to my Eulogy. and **EVEN IN MY DEATH** to refer you guys to look between the lines. I stared off by saying “This is my death” Tons more. I am sure you guys can find the rest now. I figured I overloaded my eulogy with bread crumbs. But, I figured, Chronos would have been the best chance for Town to read it. Also, I did the Colored Text Trick again, If Town were to “” **Mark my Words** “” they would have seen the hidden text. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2024 "2009-05-28T02:33:59Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\* > I was hopefully telling Mahaloth “Yes, I Think he is the doctor also”. > > Mahaloth, did I succeed here? \*\* > > I Yes, I understood. I still don’t know what to do. I don’t know whether to vote Rysto, Allwalker, or someone else. Full disclosure: I was planning on voting Peeker again before Dawn hit. I decided, wisely I think, to wait until people started claiming. Now, I have no idea what to do. Am I alone in this thought. :sigh: ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2025 "2009-05-28T02:37:57Z")
I’m going to bed, guys. See you tomorrow(Thursday, I mean). 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2026 "2009-05-28T02:38:17Z")
**Are we at the point now, where Scum would Lynch Scum? Are Allwalker AND Rysto Scum?** ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2027 "2009-05-28T02:39:28Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Its complicated, but since we are all talking bread crumbs here. Here you go. A) I noticed that, I saw the odd spacing and figured something was up with it. B) I may have just purchased my first motorcycle this afternoon. C) It looks like I’m up…I’m an Ordinary Puritan/Vanilla Town. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2028 "2009-05-28T02:40:39Z")
I mean, It seems TOO knee jerk, for someone to say “Hey, we are at Ly Lo now!” and for the next person to say “Ly Lo, U scum, kthxbai.” ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2029 "2009-05-28T02:44:13Z")
It’s possible that they’re both scum and are trying to trick us. If we lynch one and they are scum then we’re more likely to trust the other who may also be scum and lead us down the primrose path. My fear is that the BH’s numbers are high enough that a mislynch and a successful night kill will give control to the blackhearts. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2030 "2009-05-28T02:49:28Z")
Here is the poser I have. \*\* Wouldn’t the Doctor have a Name? \*\* \*\*But then, How would he know that I was protected last night? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2031 "2009-05-28T03:18:25Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > You are Reverend Dimmesdale. Right now, you are acting pure, and technically, you are. But you want to be with the other sinners. You can do that if you become infected. And when you turn, investigators will still think you’re pure. Wow. Just in case you guys have NOT read The Scarlet Letter, I will spoil the ending below. In the book, the climax / ending of the story is that a Priest continually asks for the town to confess, on the matter of who was with Pryne. All the while, the Priest asking for someone to confess, is indeed the perp himself. He literally beats himself up over it, with a Cat o Nine tails, IIRC. So. based on the ending of the book, I believe what peeker has posted is truthful. I honestly do not recall names at this point, but there is a Priest/Reverend that matches what Peeker has claimed in the Novel. * * * Do I believe that Peeker was given the role that he posted? \*\*\* Hey, We are talking about peeker here. But, at this point, I would still look at Rysto / All. So, based on the assumption, that we MUST lynch blackhearts tonight, I can understand why Peeker would claim. Sinners are in the same boat that we are. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2032 "2009-05-28T03:22:44Z")
We take a moment of the game for the following message: Hi Boys and Girls! Do you want to know what it is like to go insane? It’s Simple, just answer the following question! \*\* What if Pede is Breadcrumbing?\*\* That’s all you have to do! We now return you to your regularly scheduled Mafia. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2033 "2009-05-28T03:51:32Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I placed my list with most scummy at the top, again, I knew that Chronos was the politician, so I put him at the bottom. Remember, I was thinking that Mahaloth was a pro town power role. > > Notice who is on the list after Peeker. > > Notice who has frankly, bent over backwards to answer all of my questions. Who also wanted me to list the claim list before Dawn. > > If we lynch Allwalker now, he wouldn’t bleed blood, he would bleed quasi-town cred. > **Vote AllWalker** Bleached. In what hell is bending over backwards to answer all your questions Scummy? In what hell is recommending that you post the list before Dawn anything but proTown? You know, in case you _died_ during the Night, so that we would still have the list? So, **Meeko** , I was right near the top of your Scum list. One question: Why? As for your question about pede breadcrumbing: there is enough to discuss toDay. Let’s not even go there. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2034 "2009-05-28T04:11:24Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > In other words, you suspect that a particular player is a Town power role, with information e’s trying to subtly share? In that case, hold onto the information. So far as we know, only one person can die during the night (and if multiple people can die in the night, then we’re pretty much screwed no matter what). If you die, then the person you’re looking at will live, and can share the information emself openly toMorrow. If the person you’re looking at dies, then you live, and you can tell us all about whatever breadcrumbs you’re seeing then. > [@Meeko](#): > > Well Done. > > This might be the only dissection of my comments that I completely, 100% agree with. I assume that from Chronos’ post, he figured out that I was talking about him. It was a very weird feeling. I had given his above post a surface reading, but I paused on it, going through something else. If you die, then the person you’re looking at will live, and can share the information emself openly toMorrow. If the person you’re looking at dies, then you live I looked at this, and I wasn’t exactly sure what, exactly was going on. I just had this sudden Eureka moment, much like when you KNOW you have won a game of solitaire. This was the first breadcrumb I ever picked up. _Ever._ It just clicked. I meant to get at I 100% agree with the fact that you are dropping, and I am picking. Chronos understood what I was getting at. The Well Done also got to this as well. Also, I meant to imply “Message received.” Can someone confirm for me if this is how breadcrumbing is supposed to work ? So, on one level, I KNEW that Chronos was the Politician, even back here. Chronos was over the top talking about voting. I had to return a message to Chronos that I was picking him up. > [@Meeko](#): > > Anyone in here know how to play Magic The Gathering? We went back and forth on Magic The Gathering for a while. And I knew I could sneak a quetion back to him. He denied that he played, and I was fairly sure we had talked on MTG long before. I saw a chance to move. I Called him out on his magic playing history, and also got to return a message. > [@Meeko](#): > > I see what you are doing here. You are playing games with me, aren’t you, Chronos? Which, I said about his denying Magic, but I was MEANING to ask “You are the ones dropping breadcrumbs here, right?” > [@Chronos](#): > > Yes. If the first player to claim is a better power role than Mason, then you’ve given the Scum an appealing target. And even if e’s just vanilla, you’ve shortened the list of people for Scum to try if they don’t choose to target you. . This last post seems entirely out of place. But, I think it was more the timing than anything else. The first line was “Yes”. At this point, I was convinced that he was the politician. I am fairly sure that Chronos KNEW that I knew. * * * Was this indeed Breadcrumbing? I mean, THAT is how you play this game. Right? At this point, I figured, I could emulate Chronos, by stating one thing, that was PERFECTLY ambiguous. I am learning this game. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2035 "2009-05-28T04:24:30Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > Bleached. > > In what hell is bending over backwards to answer all your questions Scummy? > > In what hell is recommending that you post the list before Dawn anything but proTown? You know, in case you _died_ during the Night, so that we would still have the list? > > So, **Meeko** , I was right near the top of your Scum list. One question: > > Why? I asked the question openly, that I thought people who are too quick to help might be hiding something. I got an answer to that effect. Scum trying to help town, for town cred. If I had died, that would mean that Chronos would not have. If Chronos would not have died, I am fairly certain that he would have figured out my Super-sized bread crumb. I Did not want scum to be able to simply read my list, and immediately know my entire playbook, as it was. If scum saw the list, they WOULD HAVE changed their targets.\*\* PERIOD. \*\* This is how time was against me. Breadcrumbing was how I could make time work for me, for once. You come on too strong, even for pure town. And IIRC, you are claiming information that goes against a PM I did indeed recieve last night, per Rysto being a Doctor. Voting for you? Simple: Motive : You were pinging me, trying to accumulate Town cred being too nice. You also are calling out Rysto currently. Means : Simple enough, I think, therefore it is. Opportunity: I survived last night. Chronos did not obstruct me, Hence I can vote for you today. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2036 "2009-05-28T04:27:21Z")
The claims so far today: peeker: wannabe(?) Alpha Sinner Allwalker: Town Alignment cop (fooled by converted sinners) Rysto: Town Doc Right? But if Allwalker can only find BHs and the beginning game Sinners, why the caveat in peeker’s role since according to Allwalker, every converted Sinner would be an alpha? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2037 "2009-05-28T04:45:18Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > You are Reverend Dimmesdale. Right now, you are acting pure, and technically, you are. But you want to be with the other sinners. You can do that if you become infected. And when you turn, investigators will still think you’re pure. > [@AllWalker](#): > > I am Governor Bellingham, the **Town Cop**. Yes, that’s right, Cop. But there is a problem - I can only determine what each player _started out_ as. In other words, if I investigate someone who has been sinfected in the course of the game, they will be read as Town. > > Semi-confirmed (ie, started as Town. Not Blackhearts, but may be sinfected): > **Peekercpa** \*\* !CONFLICT!\*\* Something doesn’t quite fit here for me. 1. Peeker stated that if he were to turn to sinner, he would be investigated as “Pure”. 2. If Peeker is not a Sinner and not a Blackheart, he would show up “Pure”. 2. Blackhearts can not convert. \*\*Therefore, I don’t understand how Allwalker gets a “semi-confirmed” result for Peeker. Peeker would return to Allwalker as “Pure”. \*\* Let me also point out, that Allwalker throws in his take of the role. This IS editing of the PM post. You can not debate this. Peeker presents a post that, at least to me, seems to be the real deal. One more thing: > [@AllWalker](#): > > Also, if I am ostracized I am able to perform one investigation which will be discovered by Town the next Day. You think that Allwalker slipped up here, and thought, "Perhaps I should throw in something… ANYTHING to deal with O ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2038 "2009-05-28T04:51:20Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > But if Allwalker can only find BHs and the beginning game Sinners, why the caveat in peeker’s role since according to Allwalker, every converted Sinner would be an alpha? I think we are getting at the same slip here. Tell me Inner, THIS is Mafia, correct? I mean, this here, now. This is why you guys like this game. Correct? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2039 "2009-05-28T04:54:53Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Therefore, I don’t understand how Allwalker gets a “semi-confirmed” result for Peeker. Peeker would return to Allwalker as “Pure”. Unbolded and snipped Right, Allwalker gets a Pure if Peeker is Town or Converted Sinner. If Peeker is BH, then Allwalker gets BH. If Peeker is one of the starting Sinners, Allwalker gets Sinner. If Allwalker is telling the truth, Peeker is either Town or Alpha scum. That’s what the semi-confirmed means. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2040 "2009-05-28T04:57:23Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \ > > You come on too strong, even for pure town. Too strong? This isn’t some half baked theory - I am a Cop. I investigated. I also claimed. > [@](#): > > And IIRC, you are claiming information that goes against a PM I did indeed recieve last night, per Rysto being a Doctor. Not good enough. Care to post it? > [@](#): > > Voting for you? > > Simple: > > Motive : You were pinging me, trying to accumulate Town cred being too nice. You also are calling out Rysto currently. > > Means : Simple enough, I think, therefore it is. > > Opportunity: I survived last night. Chronos did not obstruct me, Hence I can vote for you today. Being too helpful can be a scum tell. But it’s a very weak one by itself. I was right at #2 of your suspicions list last Night, based on this alone? That is really, really not a case. After all, is it inconceivable that a Townie might be, I don’t know, helpful to Town? **Chronos** was helpful to you too, you know. A few points: 1. In my claim, I named my character. Is there anyone else who shares that name in their role? No one has said anything. Why would I risk naming myself? That would be a stupid move, just like fake mason claims - it is too easily contradicted 2. Has **Rysto** mentioned his character name? If so, I missed it. If not, why not? 3. What exactly do you have that makes you so certain Rysto is legit? Is it possible the information could be fake, either by lies or by game mechanics (ie, a pretend Scum Doctor)? 4. Is there any evidence at all that there is even a Doc still alive in this game? A “slightly healed feeling” implies protection from NK, but there are so many elements it could be anything. And no NK has failed - the absense of this proves nothing, I know, but it still means that it is possible that there is no Doc. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=101) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=103)