# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 103
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2041 "2009-05-28T05:02:31Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > You think that Allwalker slipped up here, and thought, "Perhaps I should throw in something… ANYTHING to deal with O Oh yeah, I “slipped up”. That like even means anything - that was in my claiming post, not some extra NETA or something. If I were lying, why would I even need to add a detail to cover this? **IS** has it right. **Peeker** is semiconfirmed because the results said Town. If he is BH, then he is an alpha BH. Same with the Original Sinners. Or, he might have been sinfected. Or, he might be Town. **Meeko** , do me a favour. Stop assuming I’m Lord of the Scum for a moment, and read my amn posts. What I have quoted above is the biggest stretch to fit a preconceived conclusion I have seen in the game. Don’t go looking for facts to justify a flawed opinion - let the facts lead you to a correct one. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2042 "2009-05-28T05:05:11Z")
NETA: I don’t know why **peeker** ’s Role PM mentions that thing about the alpha Sinners, but I can guess. My Cop powers are great at detecting BH, but terrible at finding Sinners. I assume that someone out there has a balancing ability, good at finding Sinners but bad at finding BH. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2043 "2009-05-28T05:19:34Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > **Meeko** , do me a favour. Stop assuming I’m Lord of the Scum for a moment, and read my amn posts. What I have quoted above is the biggest stretch to fit a preconceived conclusion I have seen in the game. Don’t go looking for facts to justify a flawed opinion - let the facts lead you to a correct one. Do me a favor, and post the **EXACT** pm as you got it. Not something you edited. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2044 "2009-05-28T05:23:27Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Do me a favor, and post the **EXACT** pm as you got it. Not something you edited. Fine. > [@pedescribe](#): > > Role PM > You are Governor Bellingham. A young, up and coming man, you don’t know much about politics. But you are a man of the faith, as all politician must be, and are determined to weed out those who would oppose you. > > Powers: > > 1. You are so pure you can never be infected with the seed of sin. > 2. You have access to the secret official records kept in the governor’s office. Each night, you may research a player and see what they originated as–Pure, Sinner, or Blackheart. > 3. If you are ostracized, you may do one final investigation before you leave. This investigation will be found by the town the next Day. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2045 "2009-05-28T05:44:36Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Unbolded and snipped > > Right, Allwalker gets a Pure if Peeker is Town or Converted Sinner. If Peeker is BH, then Allwalker gets BH. If Peeker is one of the starting Sinners, Allwalker gets Sinner. If Allwalker is telling the truth, Peeker is either Town or Alpha scum. That’s what the semi-confirmed means. \*\* Explain to me how Peeker can ever show up as anything besides “Town”. \*\* ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2046 "2009-05-28T05:52:32Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\* > Explain to me how Peeker can ever show up as anything besides “Town”. \*\* With in regards to my power role, BH are returned as BH. Original Sinners are returned as Original Sinners. Sinfected are returned as Town. Town are returned as Town. In **Peeker** ’s case, since he started off as Town, he will be read as Town. His power role has no relevance to mine. I can’t comment on any other investigative roles, whether or not they exist, of which I know nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2047 "2009-05-28T11:44:15Z")
I don’t really have a name. I am the Physic: > [@](#): > > You are the Physic. Although your medical skills can do nothing against the Sinners, you can foil the Blackhearts in their quest to destroy the Puritans of Boston. > > Powers: > > 1. Each night, you can protect someone. The person will wake up with ‘a slightly healed feeling’. > > You are Town. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2048 "2009-05-28T12:11:50Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I mean, It seems TOO knee jerk, for someone to say “Hey, we are at Ly Lo now!” and for the next person to say “Ly Lo, U scum, kthxbai.” You’re overthinking this, Meeko. AllWalker slipped and I called him on it. That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2049 "2009-05-28T12:15:27Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > You’re overthinking this, Meeko. AllWalker slipped and I called him on it. That’s all. Where did I slip exactly? When was I called on it? ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2050 "2009-05-28T12:16:41Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > Where did I slip exactly? > > When was I called on it? You said that we’re at lynch or lose, implying that you know there are exactly 4 scum in the game. If you were Town, you wouldn’t know that. PIS. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2051 "2009-05-28T12:17:49Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > I don’t really have a name. I am the Physic: There’s a 1 in your role PM. Is that part of a list ot something? Is there something you aren’t sharing? Gee, what a huge slip. Watch me call you on it. :roll: ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2052 "2009-05-28T12:20:21Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > You said that we’re at lynch or lose, implying that you know there are exactly 4 scum in the game. If you were Town, you wouldn’t know that. PIS. Oh please. People have been saying that there are most likely 4 BH in this game for Days. Balance-wise, it makes sense. And I believe **Chronos** used the phrase LyLo before he died, so yeah, great scum slip. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2053 "2009-05-28T12:31:23Z")
NETA: Check **Thing Fish** ’s post, 1258 **Chronos** ’ at 1745 and 1830, Not to mention my own at 2007 where I established my estimate of 4 BH. That puts us at LyLo. This wasn’t some comment out of the blue - I was leading on from my claim post. The Town seemed to be largely in agreement of this fact, which was why we agreed to a mass claim in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2054 "2009-05-28T13:31:41Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > So, if **Chronos’** **estimate** of an initial ratio of 11:4:3 is correct (which has not been in any way confirmed but which **seems reasonable** ), we are now at 8 Town, 4 Blackhearts and 2 Sinners, which means we could **conceivably** be at LyLo as soon as Tomorrow. Gulp. > [@Chronos](#): > > On another topic: We are nearing the endgame. With 18 players initially, we **probably** had about 4 Blackhearts, and we haven’t found any yet. We’re down to 11 players, and if paul3 is telling the truth, at least one of those 11 is a Sinner, so we **probably** only have six Townies left. We’re not _quite_ at LyLo yet, but if we mis-lynch now, Town will probably be in the minority toMorrow. > [@Chronos](#): > > On another note, last page, **AllWalker** recommended that [if we didn’t lynch a Blackheart this time, that we should mass-claim in the Morning](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11170363#post11170363). I think that’s a good idea (or at least, the least-bad idea we have), since we **might** be at LyLo right now (assuming 4 Blackhearts). Anyone else have any thoughts on that? If we do so, then **Meeko** should decide what order we’ll claim in, and give us a list sometime before Morning. > [@AllWalker](#): > > Unfortunately we are at LyLo. So, that is not something I can agree to. (bolding mine) See, the difference is that they all said “probably”, “might be”, etc. You stated it outright, like you knew it was true. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2055 "2009-05-28T13:43:45Z")
1. We are currently waiting for Paul to claim, I believe. Paul…you there? 2. I’m torn between believing AllWalker and Rysto(or neither, actually). It seemed likely to me that AllWalker was telling the truth, but mostly because he claimed first. If Rysto had claimed first, I would have leaned toward believing him naturallly. Anyway, I think AllWalker’s PM is very genuine looking, but I would not consider it impossible for him to have written it himself. However, AllWalker seems very certain there are four scum in the game, something that he have only speculated about…and something I’ve never been sure about. Tough call for sure. What is everyone else thinking about this conflict? We do need to continue claiming, by the way. We should not totally let this distract us, even though it does seem that at this point in time, today’s lynch will most likely come out of this conflict. I still want to see everyone else’s claim and I assume you will want to see mine, so Paul, get going! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2056 "2009-05-28T14:33:25Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > NETA: I don’t know why **peeker** ’s Role PM mentions that thing about the alpha Sinners, but I can guess. My Cop powers are great at detecting BH, but terrible at finding Sinners. I assume that someone out there has a balancing ability, good at finding Sinners but bad at finding BH. ok, you guys are confusing the old man. where in my pm do i mention anything about alpha sinners? for now **vote allwalker** ---
**Author:** ![peekercpa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8baadc/32.png) [@peekercpa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/peekercpa)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2057 "2009-05-28T14:35:11Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\* > Explain to me how Peeker can ever show up as anything besides “Town”. \*\* uh, fuck. my head just exploded. i agree. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2058 "2009-05-28T14:48:45Z")
> [@peekercpa](#): > > ok, you guys are confusing the old man. where in my pm do i mention anything about alpha sinners? > > for now > > **[color]vote allwalker[/color]** bleached The part where you say that if you convert to the Sinners, when investigated you will show up as Town. That is the basic definition of an alpha-Scum - Scum who when investigated gives a false reading as Town. Is this why you voted for me? If not, care to elaborate? For crap’s sake, I am vouching for your non-BH-iness - you could at least provide an argument I could address. In the meantime, look over my role PM carefully - it explains everything there. And look over **Rysto** ’s carefully - and ask why his PM seems incomplete. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2059 "2009-05-28T14:56:24Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > And look over **Rysto** ’s carefully - and ask why his PM seems incomplete. :rolleyes: Are we going to debate comma placement next. I have only one power, so there’s only one power listed in my PM. No big mystery there. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2060 "2009-05-28T15:06:02Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > :rolleyes: > > Are we going to debate comma placement next. I have only one power, so there’s only one power listed in my PM. No big mystery there. Please. You are complaining that I did not explicitely state my previous assumptions, made 2 posts earlier, were still in effect. This whole debate, like most in Mafia games, is based around clutching at straws. If I missed an implied “probably at”, then perhaps comma placement should be on the agenda. Meanwhile, your PM is simplistic, reads like it was fabricated with maximal simplicity to cover its fradulence and, of course, contradicts what I know. So yeah, I am going to have an issue with what looks like a truncated list. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=102) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=104)