# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 105
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2081 "2009-05-28T17:03:03Z")
Yes, the whole “1” in Rysto’s PM is not a big deal as far as I see it. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2082 "2009-05-28T17:09:33Z")
Does anyone else find it weird that AllWalker’s PM does not end with the phrase: **You are Town.** I know different wording was allowed for different PMs, but I thought pretty much all town PMs have ended with that phrase. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2083 "2009-05-28T17:27:02Z")
On the topic of Allwalker: \*\*If He is Sinner Bulletproof, shouldn’t he have told us on Day 1? We still have the clause that, the last to vote for someone who is lynched becomes sinfected, right? Shouldn’t we have gotten him to be the last vote for the day, PERIOD?! \*\* So, obviously, it would have been helpful, if we could have know this on the first day, and we could have brought Allwalker into our thoughts more (That is, we could have KNOWN to talk TO allwalker, while in public.) This is what I meant to say, when I was asking about why it wasn’t mentioned. I Was thinking about it, and I Was like, damn, thats what I meant to say. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2084 "2009-05-28T17:36:33Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > On the topic of Allwalker: > > \*\*If He is Sinner Bulletproof, shouldn’t he have told us on Day 1? > > We still have the clause that, the last to vote for someone who is lynched becomes sinfected, right? > > Shouldn’t we have gotten him to be the last vote for the day, PERIOD?! > \*\* No. No. No. Why should I have claimed on Day 1? Are you serious? And, you might have read that post where Ped talked really big, and mentioned that we ostracize? Not execute? > [@](#): > > So, obviously, it would have been helpful, if we could have know this on the first day, and we could have brought Allwalker into our thoughts more (That is, we could have KNOWN to talk TO allwalker, while in public.) > > This is what I meant to say, when I was asking about why it wasn’t mentioned. > > I Was thinking about it, and I Was like, damn, thats what I meant to say. Yep. Every power role should have claimed Day 1. :roll: ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2085 "2009-05-28T17:39:31Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > No. No. No. > > Why should I have claimed on Day 1? Are you serious? That we had a Sinner Bulletproof among us? YES. Or are you saying, that it was Pro-town of you, to KNOWINGLY let town get sinfected? **That guy over there is going to get sinfected. Damn, I wish I could do something, Nope, guess not, we’re boned.** ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2086 "2009-05-28T17:43:41Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > That we had a Sinner Bulletproof among us? > > YES. > > Or are you saying, that it was Pro-town of you, to KNOWINGLY let town get sinfected? > > **That guy over there is going to get sinfected. Damn, I wish I could do something, Nope, guess not, we’re boned.** Okay. For one thing, that is stupid. I could have broadcast the results of my first investigation. Why didn’t I? Because, well, look at what happened to **paul 1** Second point, I let sinfection happen? So what am I, Sinner or Blackheart? Get back to me when you have a consistent theory. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2087 "2009-05-28T17:47:59Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > And, you might have read that post where Ped talked really big, and mentioned that we ostracize? Not execute? I think he meant that _at that time_, we had the chance of sinfecting someone who voted last for execution, and you should have told us that you should vote last for any execution in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2088 "2009-05-28T17:50:00Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > Okay. For one thing, that is stupid. I could have broadcast the results of my first investigation. Why didn’t I? Because, well, look at what happened to **paul 1** > > Second point, I let sinfection happen? So what am I, Sinner or Blackheart? > > Get back to me when you have a consistent theory. Wait, are you Breadcrumbing in reverse here? 😕😕😕 How about you are Scum? Is that a good theory? At least it is consistent. **Vote AllWalker** ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2089 "2009-05-28T17:53:09Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I think he meant that _at that time_, we had the chance of sinfecting someone who voted last for execution, and you should have told us that you should vote last for any execution in the future. We were never in a position where execution was a proper course of action. Given the nature of the voting, I held the position that O was far better alternative to E most of the time, regardless of the sinfection factor. If we wound up in a situation where an E was even plausible, I would have considered claiming. And again, I say that unnecessary claiming gets people killed. Or lynched. So yes, real scummy of me to keep an at-that-time irrelevant power a secret. Good grief. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2090 "2009-05-28T17:54:47Z")
I actually agree with you on that point, AllWalker. I was merely clarifying Meeko’s post, or at least trying to anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2091 "2009-05-28T18:06:55Z")
\*\*who else needs to claim? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2092 "2009-05-28T18:08:22Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Wait, are you Breadcrumbing in reverse here? 😕😕😕 > > How about you are Scum? Is that a good theory? At least it is consistent. > > [COLOR] **Vote AllWalker** [/COLOR] What the hell are you talking about? No, never mind, you don’t have a clue. **Meeko** , a point you seem to have missed. Your voting is based on the tiniest little bullshit. Typical, though - I was too fucking “nice” to you and you can’t seem to shake the idea that I am Scum. And yes, your theory is consistent, with your whole gameplay up to this point. Justify your opinions, would you? How can anyone defend a charge like that - breadcrumbing in reverse. Please. Whatever - I can’t convince you. My story is too consistent, my gameplay to helpful, and for some reason you see this as one giant Scum tell. I’m done trying to convince you. For anyone who votes for **Rysto** , if you could do me a favour - mention another player you want me to investigate once I’m ostracized. It wont mean shit if there are 4 BH out there, but hey, at least I tried. I’ll be back later toDay - RL beckons. In the meantime, peace together a story which makes sense. And **Mahaloth** - yeah, I know, that was directed at Meeko. Thanks for the clarification ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2093 "2009-05-28T18:12:03Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\*who else needs to claim? \*\* We still have: Paul Thing Fish Inner Stickler Rysto Mahaloth Just waiting for Paul. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2094 "2009-05-28T18:21:23Z")
Allwalker, let me do this again. 1. You edited the PM that had your Role. Scum would do this. 2. You did not tell us that you could essentially stop Sinners in their tracks. This is something Anti-Town would do. Anti Town == Scum. And, you were tried to manufacture Town Cred. Yet, now we see that, _apparently_, you already had a town cred goldmine you wasted. This is all I know, personally you have acted scummy on more than one occasion. Do I have lingering questions about you? Perhaps as many lingering questions, as you have points you are TRYING to make regarding how “town” you actually are. So. This is what I know. I know that you HAVE acted scummy. I also know that I do not have any vigilante power. As I once was, so I remain, voting for you. Untill I have reasons to un-vote, my vote is still for you. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2095 "2009-05-28T18:23:22Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > We still have: > > Paul > > Thing Fish > > Inner Stickler > > Rysto > > Mahaloth > Just waiting for Paul. I thought Rysto claimed. [I looked back, and I did overlook where you claimed the first time, Rysto, my bad.] Mahaloth, given that list, as you have it, who would you vote for? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2096 "2009-05-28T18:34:10Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > Second point, I let sinfection happen? So what am I, Sinner or Blackheart? > [@Meeko](#): > > Wait, are you Breadcrumbing in reverse here? 😕😕😕 > [@AllWalker](#): > > What the hell are you talking about? No, never mind, you don’t have a clue. > > How can anyone defend a charge like that - breadcrumbing in reverse. Please. **Let’s try this again :** You said : > [@AllWalker](#): > > Second point, I let sinfection happen? So what am I, Sinner or Blackheart? I should have said : \*\*Do you really want me to answer that? \*\* Ok, I will. I would say that you are Scum. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2097 "2009-05-28T18:55:12Z")
I think some people are making this more complicated than it needs to be…surprise, surprise. 1. We know we can trust **Meeko**. 2. **Meeko** says that he was protected on Nights 2 and 4. 3. There is no obvious way that anyone else could know (2) other than the Doctor. 4. \*\*Rysto \*\*knows (2) 5. Ergo, \*\*Rysto \*\*is probably the Doctor. 6. AllWalker says \*\*Rysto \*\*is scum. 7. A **llWalker** is probably lying…and therefore…a witch!!! Um, Blackheart, rather. Sure, as **AllWalker is desperately trying to tell us, there are other theoretical scenarios that might explain all of the above. Maybe Rysto is some kind of Blackheart anti-Sin Doc, maybe Meeko** is a scum mason in secret cahoots with **Rysto** , maybe, well, whatever. But the logic outlined above seems to be the simplest and most obvious explanation for what we have seen. As against this, **AllWalker** has not demonstrated that he has any verifiable information that every Blackheart wouldn’t have at the beginning of the game. Indeed, his claimed power conveniently doesn’t include the ability to tell whether players have converted to Sin since the game started, since he couldn’t know that. **vote AllWalker** ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2098 "2009-05-28T19:07:27Z")
WRT other players: **Mahaloth’s** inability to see the rather simple logic outlined above looks highly suspicious to me. ANNND…if **peeker** _isn’t_ a Blackheart, then why wouldn’t **AllWalker** have identified _him_ as one, rather than taking the risk of fingering someone who hadn’t claimed yet, and might have a verifiable Town role to claim??? I think we have found a veritable scum gold mine here! Town might just pull this one out yet. Woot friggin’ woot! ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2099 "2009-05-28T19:16:17Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > A) I noticed that, I saw the odd spacing and figured something was up with it. > > B) I may have just purchased my first motorcycle this afternoon. > > C) It looks like I’m up…I’m an Ordinary Puritan/Vanilla Town. A. I saw it was \*\*Meeko \*\*and figured it was odd. B. Congratulations. C. Do you have a PM you can show us to that effect? Don’t be shy, everyone else is doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2100 "2009-05-28T19:27:08Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > A. I saw it was \*\*Meeko \*\*and figured it was odd. > > B. Congratulations. > > C. Do you have a PM you can show us to that effect? Don’t be shy, everyone else is doing it. A)No Comment B)JUST got back from singing the papers on a 2007 Shadow Spirit 750 C) You are an Ordinary Puritan. You believe in God, good works, and righteousness. You do not abide any impurity or sin and are seeking out to remove all evil from the town. Unfortunately, you do not know who is pure and who is not. You are Town. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=104) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=106)