# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 108
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2141 "2009-05-30T03:26:49Z")
Semi-confirmed (ie, started as Town. Not Blackhearts, but may be sinfected): Peekercpa Confirmed Blackheart: Rysto - this was as a result of last Night’s investigation Confirmed Sinner: none Untested: BillMC (paulwhoisaghost) Inner Stickler Joey P. Mahaloth Thing Fish Ok so… This is from AW’s claim… eliminate myself from the list… and IS because I believe his PM due to its similarity… Joey P. Mahaloth Thing Fish All three claimed VT… I’ll choose… hmmm… Thing Fish. If we lynch you AW, I want you to investigate Thing Fish. If we don’t lynch you, take a crack at whoever you want. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2142 "2009-05-30T04:08:47Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Screw it, it’s of no benefit for me to wait. Guys, I am the doctor. AllWalker’s lying scum. > > I can prove it, too. Night One, I self protected. Night Two, I protected Meeko(everybody knows that, of course). Night Three, I protected peeker. Night Four, I protected Meeko. peeker and Meeko can confirm that they got PMs the nights I protected them. Private Message: Once again 05-27-2009, 03:04 PM pedescribe pedescribe is offline Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 Once again you sense protection on yourself this morning. > [@AllWalker](#): > > I have time for a quick post today, will discuss more tomorrow. > > 1. **Meeko** the moron says two things: 1) that I edited my role PM, and 2) that he is 100% sure **Rysto** is a Doc. Neither of this is true, as I have already explained. Rysto can protect people. PERIOD. Does this make him a Doc? I would say so. Is He town? I don’t know. Doesn’t take the suspicion off of you any. YOU **DID** EDIT YOUR PM. When you posted your Role, you added in words that Pede did not give you. You added first person voice to the PM, not third. How can Rysto know that I have been protected, before I posted it ? Since when does Pede make PMs in colloquial? Rysto is a Doctor. You Did edit your post. I even Unvoted you when I was not aware that Rysto had already posted. I did it to put fire under his feet. Would I do this, if I knew Rysto was Scum? > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Hmmm… I hadn’t even thought about the possibilty that Meeko was sinfected and chose to switch to the Sinner’s wincon… to be honest I thought Rysto’s role PM was sketchy… but I overlooked it because Meeko confirmed that he was protected last Night… but if Meeko is trying to act toward a sinner wincon it might explain him backing up Rysto… :smack: :smack: :smack: I unvoted Allwalker to show that I was ready to vote Rysto. Would I have done this if I was sinner, and knew Rysto was scummy? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2143 "2009-05-30T04:13:15Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > I have time for a quick post today, will discuss more tomorrow. > > 1. **Meeko** the moron says two things: 1) that I edited my role PM. > > 2. My PM is exactly as I posted it. And no, I did not edit it. It does not end with “You are Town”. Well, what can I say? Take it up with ped after you lynch me. > > 3. I did not claim my sin-bulletproofness. At worst, that is ambiguosly antiTown. If we decided as a Town to execute someone I would have come forward and claimed. As it was, I saw no need to claim. If the Scum don’t know I’m bulletproof, it is far more effective. And no, **Meeko** , antiTown does not equal Scum. Just look at you. Wait wait wait \*\* My pm is EXACTLY as I posted it. I Did not claim my Sin-bulletproofness.\*\* This is the ONLY two things you need to know about Allwalker. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2144 "2009-05-30T04:26:50Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I can’t wait for everyone to read the ‘busybodies’ thread. I’m having just as much trouble as everyone else. > > Meeko strikes me as brilliant and it’s true he’s thinking outside of the box, but I think I said earlier he’s so far outside of the box that I don’t think he’s sure where the box is. > > That said, he does seem very smart, and I’m sure after a game under his belt, when he can look back and see the Sucm thread, the Night Actions, etc. It’ll all become clearer to him and he’ll be a mighty fine mafia player Allwalker, you essentially admit in your long post that you HAVE edited your post. (You omitted your Bulletproof – This **IS** editing. You now state that you are Bulletproof, and you are changing up your game. \*\*The truth never hurt a just cause. \*\* I have remained one thing in this game. \*\* Utterly Confused. \*\* Given the track record of the game, all the Town has been. I don’t understand why you want to start to question a proven fact that I am town. What buttons did I push? What scum slip did you give? ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2145 "2009-05-30T04:32:35Z")
Okay Meeko the moron, let’s try this again… Let me get this straight - are you calling my claim post _editing???_ If so, relax. I posted my PM word for word later. I did not post it originally because I did not want to needlessly point out my sin bulletproof power. It still could have been useful, but no. \*\*By no definition is that editing a PM. I was paraphrasing it, and made it clear I was doing so. Not. Scummy.\*\* The trains don’t go to where you live, do they? At _best_, that is very weak and circumstantial. Quick question - my motivation for doing that? My Scum motivation that is, since given how quickly I posted my PM, I already had it, so I couldn’t have made it up in the interrum. And I’ll try to type slowly so that you understand the next part: 1. Is it unconceivable that there would be different types of Docs? Especially considering that there are different types of Scum? 2. Is it inconceivble that Rysto is, based on (1), not an anti-BH Doc? 3. Based on (2), is it inconceivable Rysto is BH? As for why you unvoted me, maybe you were trying to convince everyone you were approaching this objectively. Personally, it wouldn’t surprise me if you were trying to convince yourself of objecivity. I have been Scum #1 in your mind, and reality can’t seem to penetrate very far. By the way, I ask _again_ - what kind of Scum do you think I am? You’re kind of all over the shop. > [@Meeko](#): > > Wait wait wait > > \*\* > My pm is EXACTLY as I posted it. > > I Did not claim my Sin-bulletproofness.\*\* > > This is the ONLY two things you need to know about Allwalker. No. This post shows how desperate you are to condemn me. You don’t even think what I write through - you just leap all over it, don’t you? 1. My PM, which I quoted, is exactly as I posted. E-x-a-c-t-l-y. Understand? 2. Now, when I said I did not claim my bulletproof-ness… I Was Talking About Earlier In The Game. Understand? > [@](#): > > The truth never hurt a just cause. This is a game of intrigue. Controlling the flow of information. I think I explained this to you already. Oh wait, explaining things to you is a Scum slip. Woops, you got me again. :roll: ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2146 "2009-05-30T04:41:10Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > More specific knowledge: > > There are two anti-town groups, the Sinners and the Blackhearts. The blackhearts are like a regular scum groups, **but the sinners want everyone infected with the Seed of Sin, whether the target wants it or not** Would Pede make a game that the Sinners could never win? I am guessing that Sinners do not know who they are, nor do they know who Town is. There is no way they could even begin to assemble a case on Townies to begin a bandwagon to lynch them during the day. \*\* How could Sinner Bulletproof Exist in this game? How could Sinners win? Would the game really be that unbalanced? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2147 "2009-05-30T04:47:55Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Allwalker, you essentially admit in your long post that you HAVE edited your post. (You omitted your Bulletproof – This **IS** editing. > > You now state that you are Bulletproof, and you are changing up your game. > > \*\*The truth never hurt a just cause. > \*\* > > I have remained one thing in this game. > > \*\* > Utterly Confused. \*\* > > Given the track record of the game, all the Town has been. > > I don’t understand why you want to start to question a proven fact that I am town. > > What buttons did I push? > > What scum slip did you give? Okay, I love this post. Firstly, you again admit to being confused. Laughably ironic, for one thing. Tragic, seeing as how you **know for certain so much** about things. Pathetic, seeing as how I’ve been nothing but consistent and constantly explaining every little detail to you. Secondly, this is what I mean when I say you are detached - **you are not confirmed Town**. You are the nearest thing to it, but that is far from “a proven fact”. **If nothing else** , you could have been sinfected at any time - any of the Busybodies could have. Like my power, yours only tells you the starting conditions of a few players, not their current status. This doesn’t even include the idea of Scum Mason - unlikely, but far from impossible. But I can take comfort in the fact that, unlike a lot of people falsely put on trial, it is only a matter of time until the truth comes out. And on preview, you manage to do it again: I can’t be sinfected. Assuming the BH don’t kill me, if the Sinner control everyone else but me, what will they do? “Oh no, we can’t convert him!” If they control the vote, I can die by lynching. I by no means make a Sinner victory impossible. But thanks for playing. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2148 "2009-05-30T04:50:42Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > Okay Meeko the moron, let’s try this again… > > Let me get this straight - are you calling my claim post _editing???_ If so, relax. I posted my PM word for word later. I did not post it originally because I did not want to needlessly point out my sin bulletproof power. It still could have been useful, but no. > > \*\*By no definition is that editing a PM. I was paraphrasing it, and made it clear I was doing so. > \*\* > > 1. Is it unconceivable that there would be different types of Docs? Especially considering that there are different types of Scum? > 2. Is it inconceivble that Rysto is, based on (1), not an anti-BH Doc? > 3. Based on (2), is it inconceivable Rysto is BH? > > Oh wait, explaining things to you is a Scum slip. Woops, you got me again. :roll: Edit: 1 a: to prepare (as literary material) for publication or public presentation b: to assemble (as a moving picture or tape recording) by cutting and rearranging c: to alter, adapt, or refine especially to bring about conformity to a standard or to suit a particular purpose \ \ YOU EDITED. End of discussion. 1. Is it unconceivable that there would be different types of Docs? Especially considering that there are different types of Scum? 2. Is it inconceivble that Rysto is, based on (1), not an anti-BH Doc? 3. Based on (2), is it inconceivable Rysto is BH? > [@Meeko](#): > > Here is the poser I have. > \*\* > Wouldn’t the Doctor have a Name? \*\* > > \*\*But then, How would he know that I was protected last night? \*\* > [@Meeko](#): > > But yes, I would at this point say that Rysto is indeed a Doctor. I am not sure about anything else (Allignment) but I figured that Rysto had protected me, more than once. Rysto, I am simply stating the facts here, I don’t want to get caught up in WIFOM on if I can further deduce your allignment. I just knew for 97% certain you could protect me. “'Oh wait, explaining things to you is a Scum slip. Woops, you got me again.”" Finally, you speak the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2149 "2009-05-30T05:03:26Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > This is a game of intrigue. Controlling the flow of information. Why would Pro-Town state this NOW? ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2150 "2009-05-30T05:03:44Z")
Okay. I will keep addressing these points, if only in an effort to convince those who are not either Scum or certifiable. Now that I know what you mean by edit, what anyone else would call paraphrase, now you have to explain why this is bad. I received my role PM at the start. When claiming, I explained all the relevant details. When pressed, I quoted it word for word. So, for the benefits of others, why is what I did Scummy? What is the motivation? Secondly, your quotes force me to ask - **Meeko** , are you basing your vote on any evidence at all, or is this a he said/she said situation which you are picking sides in? If it’s the latter, that is a long way from **knowing** I am lying Scum, and **knowing** Rysto is a Town Doc. In other words - are you guessing? If so, stop acting like you have arrived at conclusions based on concrete evidence. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2151 "2009-05-30T05:11:52Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Why would Pro-Town state this NOW? Because, for some reason I am still having to explain to you what this game actually is. (This, by the way, is what I meant about your ignorance derailing things, a situation I wanted to avoid. Derailing the thread helps Scum. I was acting antiScum. You attributed this to antiTown. Again, I applaud your insight. Which, of course, is sarcasm - you seem to have missed my earlier sarcasm, so, there you go) You are asking why I kept my cards close to my chest earlier. I am explaining, again, one of the fundamentals of this game. Maybe you think it’s a good idea for everyone to claim first thing Day 1, under any circumstances? Sometimes the Town has to withhold information. Actively lying is Scummy, withholding is not. Case study: **paul 1** Let me turn it around: what is my Scum motivation for stating that NOW? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2152 "2009-05-30T05:11:57Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > Okay, I love this post. > > Firstly, you again admit to being confused. Laughably ironic, for one thing. Tragic, seeing as how you **know for certain so much** about things. Pathetic, seeing as how I’ve been nothing but consistent and constantly explaining every little detail to you. So, you are not claiming to be confused, not even for one second in this game? > [@AllWalker](#): > > Now that I know what you mean by edit, what anyone else would call paraphrase, now you have to explain why this is bad. I received my role PM at the start. When claiming, I explained all the relevant details. When pressed, I quoted it word for word. > > So, for the benefits of others, why is what I did Scummy? What is the motivation? > > In other words - are you guessing? If so, stop acting like you have arrived at conclusions based on concrete evidence. * * * You left things out of your claim. You put things in your claim. What else does Scum have to do to their claims to clean them ? Motivation is so you could appear Town. \*\*In other words, are you NOT guessing? What wealth of information do you have, that you can act from NOT GUESSING ? \*\* Scum are given more information than Town. THEY KNOW, they do not have to guess. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2153 "2009-05-30T05:31:13Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > So, you are not claiming to be confused, not even for one second in this game? Not even vaguely what I said. Right. Sublety is lost on you. “Laughably ironic” refers to how you post, leaving everyone scratching their heads, trying to fish out your meaning from your waffle. This game is only slightly more confusing than most others, as most of the confusion comes from trying to work out what people are thinking. The rules are secondary to this. > [@](#): > > * * * > > You left things out of your claim. Irrelevant details. If I were lying, I would have left them out of my PM quote, too. > [@](#): > > You put things in your claim. Now you’re just making stuff up. FTR, false accusations like this a _far_ Scummier than anything I said before toDay, yet somehow I was #2 on Meeko’s Most Wanted. > [@](#): > > What else does Scum have to do to their claims to clean them ? _Pure_ speculation that I did this. > [@](#): > > Motivation is so you could appear Town. Inconceivable alternative: I act like Town because I am Town. Everyone acts like Town. Try again. > [@](#): > > \*\*In other words, are you NOT guessing? What wealth of information do you have, that you can act from NOT GUESSING ? > \*\* > > Scum are given more information than Town. THEY KNOW, they do not have to guess. Pay attention, please. I’m not guessing because I have private information from ped himself. But you are guessing when you choose not to believe me. I will repeat that: **you are guessing**. In other words, you were full of shit when you said you **knew** I was lying. Breath deep. Let this fill your every thought: you don’t know for certain. You are guessing. I’m going to log off for a while and let you reflect on that. Think about it. Suspend your assumptions, swallow your pride and review the situation. Make sure your case against me is more solid than… this. Stop trying to force things to fit your viewpoint. Cheers. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2154 "2009-05-30T06:13:12Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > Irrelevant details. If I were lying, I would have left them out of my PM quote, too. > > Now you’re just making stuff up. FTR, false accusations like this a _far_ Scummier than anything I said before toDay, yet somehow I was #2 on Meeko’s Most Wanted. > > _Pure_ speculation that I did this. > > Inconceivable alternative: I act like Town because I am Town. Everyone acts like Town. Try again. > > I will repeat that: **you are guessing**. In other words, you were full of shit when you said you **knew** I was lying. * * * Leaving things out [Sinner Bulletproof, if you somehow do have it.] It is perfectly relevant. It is the very proof that you edited. You would put it back in later, because you had more time to improve your fiction. * * * Putting things into your post? For starters how about "\*\* I’m the Cop\*\* " ? You added your voice. By your own admission, you say you paraphrase. This IS putting things in. – “Pure Speculation” What else would scum have to do, after Adding and Removing in a PM, in order to clean a post? \*\* How about you answer this question, instead of Dodging it ? \*\* Town only ever has “Pure Speculation”. You didn’t Answer the question. ## – Everyone Acts like Town. Yeah. Again, how does this prove your side? I see it as further dodging. YOU **EDITED**. Yes? You told us you didn’t – And then later you finally admit that hey, what do you know, you DID. You are full of Shit. – Your information that you have, might be truthful. Could a BH role exist that also gives them this power? Oh, but wait, you never did claim Town, did you? – Allwalker, I am done here. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2155 "2009-05-30T06:18:20Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > And while I’m here, I might as well ask: > Do members of the Sinner faction at any given point in time know how many players there are at that time with the Sinner win condition? > > If yes, do they know who those players are? > [@pedescribe](#): > > No, and no. In general: How could Sinner Bulletproof work here? This would make Sin Win con next to impossible. How can Sinners begin to bandwagon a lynch on those who are ““sinner bulletproof”” ? If they can not sinfect a given population in the game, and have next to impossible odds to happen to by dumb luck and happenstance gather a bandwagon on the exact people that happen to be bullet proof, how on earth can Sinners win? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2156 "2009-05-30T06:33:22Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > Let me turn it around: what is my Scum motivation for stating that NOW? 😕😕😕 \*\*REALLY?! \*\* I am town. Scum want town dead. That is all the motivation you need. Scum want town dead. YOU KNOW I AM TOWN. So, being the scum that you are, you are trying to make me look like scum. I do not know if we are at Ly/Lo. You some how know that we are. (Ask Rysto all about this, in case you forgot.) Assume that we are at Ly Lo. My lynch would be a Town Loss. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2157 "2009-05-30T06:44:31Z")
I think Allwalker and I can both agree to just one thing : We aren’t moving the other off of our points. This is getting to be like Religion (Heh) and Politics (Double Heh.) That being said. I don’t think we can serve the game anymore arguing on this. I respect that most players don’t like post after post of essentially useless posting. That being said, I am going to bed. Town : If you are still reading this, or, if you have given up, I only ask that you just read one of my posts, if none else. [2146](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11192927&postcount=2146) All I can say is, I would like an answer to this question. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2158 "2009-05-30T07:20:31Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > * * * > > Leaving things out [Sinner Bulletproof, if you somehow do have it.] > > It is perfectly relevant. It is the very proof that you edited. You would put it back in later, because you had more time to improve your fiction. 1. The bulletproof remark was not an “improvement”. It has helped me zero. 2. I had _days_ of forewarning before I claimed. Stalling for a few hours to “improve my fiction”? Get real. > [@](#): > > * * * > > Putting things into your post? > > For starters how about "\*\* I’m the Cop\*\* " ? > > You added your voice. By your own admission, you say you paraphrase. This IS putting things in. BUZZ! You said I added things to my PM, not my claim post. Of course I “added” things to my claim post - I wrote the damn thing, didn’t I? But whatever - if that is proof of Scum in your world, then I pity you. > [@](#): > > – > > “Pure Speculation” > > What else would scum have to do, after Adding and Removing in a PM, in order to clean a post? > > \*\* > How about you answer this question, instead of Dodging it ? \*\* > > Town only ever has “Pure Speculation”. You didn’t Answer the question. > > – That’s not even a question. Your thinking is: AW is Scum, his post doesn’t say he is Scum, therefore he changed it, therefore he is Scum. Please invite me to your Nobel Prize ceremony. > [@](#): > > ## Everyone Acts like Town. Yeah. Again, how does this prove your side? I see it as further dodging. Thaks retard. One of your main arguments is that I was acting like Town to cover for my Scumminess. So, you just undermined your own argument. > [@](#): > > YOU **EDITED**. > > Yes? > > You told us you didn’t – And then later you finally admit that hey, what do you know, you DID. > > You are full of Shit. You were saying I edited my PM. I did not. I never said I did. Now you are trying to construct a weird semantic link between my claim post and my PM. In other words, the very _fact_ that I wrote a claim post is your “proof”. Even by your standards that is weak. > [@](#): > > – > > Your information that you have, might be truthful. > > Could a BH role exist that also gives them this power? > > Oh, but wait, you never did claim Town, did you? > > – Why would the BH need a Cop? > [@](#): > > Allwalker, I am done here. Clearly not. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2159 "2009-05-30T07:26:46Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > In general: > > How could Sinner Bulletproof work here? This would make Sin Win con next to impossible. > > How can Sinners begin to bandwagon a lynch on those who are ““sinner bulletproof”” ? > > If they can not sinfect a given population in the game, and have next to impossible odds to happen to by dumb luck and happenstance gather a bandwagon on the exact people that happen to be bullet proof, how on earth can Sinners win? There are plenty of ways the Sinners can win. 1. If they are confident they control the numbers, the Sinners can mass claim. No Town could fake being sinfected, as the Original Sinners will know they are lying. The Sinfected would claim, know each other, then vote accordingly. 2. We could all role claim, like we just did. Then anyone with a sinner wincon would automatically see me as a threat to be removed. This is partly why I didn’t want to claim - even if everyone believed me, the BH _and_ the Sinners would start building a case against me. And look at what **Meeko** -the-mason-but-possibly sinfected is doing! Gosh, how weird. 3. They could try their luck - the OS could build a case against me using good old fashioned persuation. **And you could think of _none_ of these scenarios?** Really? ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2009, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2160 "2009-05-30T07:32:31Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > 😕😕😕 > > \*\*REALLY?! > \*\* > > I am town. > > Scum want town dead. > > That is all the motivation you need. > > Scum want town dead. YOU KNOW I AM TOWN. So, being the scum that you are, you are trying to make me look like scum. Can someone explain **Meeko** ’s thinking with this response to the quote? I was talking about how flawed his argument was. I was talking about mymotivations for lying, and he states the fucking obvious. **Meeko** obviously Scum want Town dead. My question, if it wasn’t obvious, was how does my actions help the Scum. What you have provided is not a reason. Fucking hell. Your argument is akin to me saying “Why are you accusing me? Simple, Scum want Town killed” or “Why did Chronos die? Simple, because Meeko wants to kill Townies” You see what I am saying? Oh God, I hope for humanity’s sake you see what I am saying. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=107) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=109)