# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 111
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2201 "2009-06-01T02:25:59Z")
Meeko, apparently voting Happy Frood is an inside joke we are not part of. Read about it on page 7 of this game, which is ongoing. Don’t post, though. The game is ongoing. Ed, you do know it is not Night currently, right? It’s OK. I forgot the Day got extended. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2202 "2009-06-01T02:27:01Z")
Oh, I should post the link to the game I referenced. Search for “happy frood” on page 7. [http://psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=mini&action=display&thread=946&page=7](http://psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=mini&action=display&thread=946&page=7) ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2203 "2009-06-01T02:29:35Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Wow. I can’t believe how stupid Allwalker is. Fine, I was assuming you would understand. I guess not. Communication is a two way street. How honestly think you are effective and clear with your words? I’m not the only one to take issue with your questions. > [@](#): > > How do scum clean up their claim? > > A. **They Delete**. This would include the scummy bits of their claim. I can’t show you what you deleted, obviously. But you DID deleted things. (Sinner Bulletproof, Anyone? Which, we still haven’t proven even exists in this game – Makes Sinner Wincon next to impossible.) > > B. **They Add**. The townie bits to their claim. I don’t know how far away your claim is from being pure town, but you did Add voice and the word “Cop”, if nothing else. > > Allwalker, it is as simple as this: > > Scum Edit and Add to Claims, you HAVE done both. A Townie who paraphrases is, by your definition, irrevocably scummy. For some reason, it is inconceivable that a Town aligned person would paraphrase. I have already explained my reasons for doing that - I wanted to conceal my Sinner Bulletproof power. Which is all moot, since I posted the role PM exactly as I received it. THAT post was not, by any definition, edited. It was not added to. Nothing was removed from it. > [@](#): > > You want me to go beyond that. Fine: > > 1. I still don’t understand how your claimed role even works with Peeker. > > Yes, I am siding with Peeker here. Even if he is Sinner, Townie and Sinner need to be against people who _know_ we are at Ly Lo. > > A Lynch of Town, or Of Sinner is game over, correct? You not understanding how our powers mesh is your problem. Not that I haven’t already addressed this. Minus 10 points. > [@](#): > > 2.\*\* I don’t understand how Sinner Bulletproof can work.\*\* Sinners have a difficult time knowing who is also sinner. How can they Sinfect you? They Can’t. How can they Lynch you? They have to get a bandwagon going, not knowing who is with them. Very hard to get consensus here, when everyone is too busy harping on their own points. (Sound Familiar?). > > Sinner Bulletproof is at _best,_ highly improbable. You claim to have it. Tell me how Pede would allow this broken concept into the game. It does fall on you. I will prove it: Tell you how it could work? #2159. > [@me](#): > > 1. If they are confident they control the numbers, the Sinners can mass claim. No Town could fake being sinfected, as the Original Sinners will know they are lying. The Sinfected would claim, know each other, then vote accordingly. > 2. We could all role claim, like we just did. Then anyone with a sinner wincon would automatically see me as a threat to be removed. This is partly why I didn’t want to claim - even if everyone believed me, the BH and the Sinners would start building a case against me. And look at what Meeko-the-mason-but-possibly sinfected is doing! Gosh, how weird. > 3. They could try their luck - the OS could build a case against me using good old fashioned persuation. Minus another 10 points. > [@](#): > > **[COLOR]Pede, How does Sinner Bulletproof Work?[/COLOR]** Let me guess - the answer will be F4, and you will claim this as proof I am lying. > [@](#): > > 1. My god, you Edited your Claim, but you STILL haven’t put in “You are Town”. > > I have 4 reasons you are scum here, I’m not going to touch how you know we are at Ly Lo. That someone else can call you out on. (And I believe they have). I “still” haven’t put it in because the role PM is exactly as I received it. If I added it in now, you would be all like “OMG stop changing things, you suck Scum!!!”. As for the LyLo thing, I have addressed that too. It was a poor choice of words on my part, but I had already established the assumptions I was operating under a few posts above that remark. Now, I myself have voted based on less, so knock yourself out. It’s a shame though that remark seems to have nothng to do with your deluded suspicions of me, which predate toDay. > [@](#): > > You know, I wonder, if Allwalker, on the hook here, isn’t projecting. Wow. Let me explain something to you. If I am Scum, then I know I am lying. If I am Town, I know I am telling the truth. Since I know the truth either way, there is no confirmational bias. You, however, are trying to find the truth while operating under preconceived notions. So the funny thing is, one of us was projecting, and it could not have been me. > [@](#): > > Stop confusing the issue. You are leading town down a primrose path. Stop being so full of yourself. Please. > > YOU ARE NOT TOWN. Town can’t contradict your claim because no Town person has this name. Just because a Town person Does NOT have your name, it does not make you town. But a Town member does has that name. I have that name. If I were lying, and if there is no Town with that name, I couldn’t possibly have known that from the start. As for the alignment of my character, I haven’t read the book and so I don’t know have likely it is for he to be a BH. But from the fiction-themed games I have looked over, there is an incredibly high correlation between character-type and alignment. > [@](#): > > Ed was NK’d Remember? Did you even read my quote which you included in your post? I specifically said, before ed died. His death sealed the deal, but even before that we were treating the two of you as likely Town. > [@Thing Fish](#): > > Darn, I had missed the delayed Dusk. I was hoping we were ready to move on… > > I’m really impressed with AllWalker’s defense! I don’t think he’s on my team this game, but I hope he is sometime! It’s pretty clear that nobody is buying a word of his BS, but he still keeps shoveling it as fast as he can, tirelessly debating endless minor points with the only person who’s still bothering to reply to him while trying desperately to distract everyone from the Big Picture, which to reiterate is: > > \*At least one of Rysto and AllWalker are scum. > > - Rysto is basically confirmed to have a power role, and to have used said power in a pro-Town way. This does not confirm him as Town, but does constitute strong circumstantial evidence in his favor, as opposed to… > > AllWalker, for whom the evidence that he is is actually a) Town or b) a Cop starts and finishes with his own say-so. > > I have a lot of thoughts about where we should go next, but I’m very worried that AllWalker and his pals might have some last-minute surprise planned, and I don’t want to start any conversations that might serve as a distraction to cover their moves. I think we will have a lot to talk about Tonight. Well, thanks for the compliment… I guess, but I haven’t been trying to distract attention from the main issues. If I ignored any of the points anyone but especially **Meeko** were making, that would have been seen as Scummy. I am on the defensive here, I can only go where the questions lead. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2204 "2009-06-01T03:13:39Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Ed, you do know it is not Night currently, right? It’s OK. I forgot the Day got extended. It’s not Night? but, isn’t it supposed to be Night? Who stopped the sun from setting? Sorry, I’ll take my ghostly ass back out of here. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2205 "2009-06-01T05:46:28Z")
Apparently, we are on some Allwalker point standard now. 😕 :eek: As if “Points” mean anything in this game. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2206 "2009-06-01T05:56:32Z")
Heh. **Mahaloth** , you want to talk inside jokes? **Allwalker** , remove all point systems from the board entirely :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2207 "2009-06-01T05:57:43Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > I can only go where the questions lead. What did I have for Dinner tonight? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2208 "2009-06-01T05:59:32Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > Communication is a two way street. How honestly think you are effective and clear with your words? \*\*Who gave Allwalker the Chinese post restriction? \*\* [[Isn’t there some SDMB truism on insulting grammar and word usage?]] ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2209 "2009-06-01T19:13:23Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Vote Count! > > Rysto (2): AllWalker, BillPaul > AllWalker (6): Meeko, peeker, TF, Joey P., Mahaloth, IS Who to trust? That was the question for this nervewracking day 5 as the group revealed their true selves. Accusation! Allwalker accused Rysto of being a Blackheart, and was promptly piled on for it. He shouted, argued passionatly, but to no avail. The group was sure–and threw him out of town for it. But they were wrong. AllWalker Bellingham, Town Investigator, is dead. It is Night 5. Day starts Wedensday 1:00 PM MDT, unless I’m not there to start it in time, in which case it will run late. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2210 "2009-06-01T19:19:16Z")
Crap. Sorry Allwalker. **Vote Rysto** ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2211 "2009-06-01T19:23:27Z")
Motherf\*\*\*\*\*!!! Uh, can we vote at Night? I’m voting for Rysto, but I think we have to wait for Daytime, right? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2212 "2009-06-01T19:27:13Z")
Hey, wait. Would the game have ended if we were at LyLo, or would we still have to find out in the morning? If it was not LyLo, does this mean 3 scum? ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2213 "2009-06-01T19:27:28Z")
What. The. Fuck. I’m at work and busy, but I’ll be posting later tonight – not that I expect it to make a difference :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2214 "2009-06-01T19:28:33Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Motherf\*\*\*\*\*!!! > > Uh, can we vote at Night? I’m voting for Rysto, but I think we have to wait for Daytime, right? Oh yeah. My bad. Let’s get those night actions in pronto, peeps! There be BHs to ostracize! ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2215 "2009-06-01T19:36:10Z")
**Is cutting and pasting a PM really that hard?** Apparently. \*\*Pede What gives with out telling someone they are Town? You aren’t being a Gastard here, are you? \*\* Allwalker, if you had “You Are Town” in your claim, couldn’t you have put it? If you didn’t, but KNEW you were town, wouldn’t you add it? You added a lot more than that. Whatever. I still don’t understand why you thought being Sinner Bulletproof was a secret you got to to keep to yourself. Apparently you learned the hard way. If saying that makes me more scummy than not, I could not care less, I am in extra innings as far as I am concerned here. The fact remains, that you DID act scummy, and that you were pinging me. Nothing changes that. * * * We are at night now. [So I don’t understand why we have Stickler’s Vote, unless he is scum telling.] By my math, Town can see Dawn tommorow. If I am proven wrong anything I say now, will be moot anyway. So. Lots of things to say. None of it to be said now. Scum can starve as far as I am concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2216 "2009-06-01T19:42:08Z")
NETA: If we were at Ly/Lo and if the game were over now, I think Pede would have stated so. Why else would he state when Dawn starts, and that he would be late? I mean, wouldn’t he take 2 extra minutes now, to close shop, and enjoy the rest of his trip ? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2217 "2009-06-01T19:45:22Z")
Are the population ratios in games pretty much standard? I mean, for the most part, there are more town than not, but we have the disadvantage of guessing who is with us, correct? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2218 "2009-06-01T19:46:12Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > NETA: > > If we were at Ly/Lo and if the game were over now, I think Pede would have stated so. Why else would he state when Dawn starts, and that he would be late? I mean, wouldn’t he take 2 extra minutes now, to close shop, and enjoy the rest of his trip ? Good point. I guess there are 3 scum instead of four then. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2219 "2009-06-01T19:47:46Z")
NETA: Hijack: Anyone else watching G4 and E3 coverage? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2009, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2220 "2009-06-01T19:48:31Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > **Is cutting and pasting a PM really that hard?** > > Apparently. > > \*\*Pede What gives with out telling someone they are Town? You aren’t being a Gastard here, are you? \*\* > > Allwalker, if you had “You Are Town” in your claim, couldn’t you have put it? If you didn’t, but KNEW you were town, wouldn’t you add it? You added a lot more than that. > > Whatever. > > I still don’t understand why you thought being Sinner Bulletproof was a secret you got to to keep to yourself. Apparently you learned the hard way. If saying that makes me more scummy than not, I could not care less, I am in extra innings as far as I am concerned here. > > The fact remains, that you DID act scummy, and that you were pinging me. Nothing changes that. > > * * * > > We are at night now. [So I don’t understand why we have Stickler’s Vote, unless he is scum telling.] > > By my math, Town can see Dawn tommorow. If I am proven wrong anything I say now, will be moot anyway. > > So. > > Lots of things to say. None of it to be said now. Scum can starve as far as I am concerned. Well, if I were him, I don’t think I would have added “You Are Town” to my role either. That would be a risky move. I mean, assuming it wasn’t there to begin with. The problem is, if all the town power PMs are worded similarly, and his had that little difference, he would have been in trouble. It also seems odd that he would leave out the unsinfectable part. That would make scum not want to lynch/NK him, right? If he can’t become a sinner, the sinners can’t win as long as he is alive. Would it not have been wise to mention that? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=110) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=112)