# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 113
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2241 "2009-06-02T03:58:37Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > FTR : As far as I can tell, Allwalker didn’t play his role well. If the controversy in the claim came from Allwalker, or straight from Pede, I don’t know. Ultimately this is a matter of opinion… but as town investigator he did investigate good targets, and waited for an appropriate time to reveal his results… and he kept himself under the radar enough not to get lynched or NKd… so if you ask me he did a damn fine job… > [@Meeko](#): > > FWIW : No one has yet to claim “You are Blackheart / You Are Sinner”. I simply called out someone that had pinged me early on. My tests came up positive. However, I didn’t think that false positives could occur. WTF are you talking about? AW is confirmed town now… and he flat out said that Rysto is BH. So someone has claimed “You are Blackheart.” Not at you, but at someone else. As for the rest of this part of your post… I have no clue what you are trying to say… quit being vague… explain what these “tests” were. How did you test us? What were your results? Why the fuck wouldn’t share this with us all? It’s not part of your assigned powers, so you had nothing to lose by revealing who you tested, how you tested, and what your results prove to you. > [@Meeko](#): > > When his time to claim came, he offered an edited claim. Beyond that, the claim did NOT say “You are Town”. If by edited claim you mean he left out a part of his role PM that would make the sinners want him lynched… after already claiming investigator and making the BH want him lynched… then yeah he did edit it. And hey! What do you know! After he revealed that part of his PM the votes buried him. So it had exactly the reaction he expected. I think his actions were well warranted. > [@Meeko](#): > > Give me blame here if you want, but I know that I have no more than 33% of it. Where the fuck are you getting 33%? > [@Meeko](#): > > It is easy to back seat drive here Paul, who, might I point out, has died how many times? Are you referring to the time I was almost mislynched on Day 2? You know… the first mislynch that you would have supported if it had occured… Or are you referring to when I was killed Night 2 after making myself the obvious target to be mislynched? (I’ll admit this play is questionable but my intent was to make it extremely easy for the doc to protect correctly) Oh.. or are you referring to when I was subbed in just before I was mislynched on Day 3? Another mislynch that you supported… seems your voting record is pretty shitty Meeko. So to answer your questions I have died twice so far in this game. Really there is only one time I have died in this game that you can attribute to poor play on my part… my first death. I think I hurt your poor little feelings and you had to try and make this personal. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2242 "2009-06-02T04:05:01Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > I was SO SURE we had finally caught scum. Well, Tomorrow for sure…if there is one. I fear that our chance to play another Day may depend on our Doc (who apparently decided not to claim) blocking the nightkill. First off, a doc block doesn’t change the equation at all. If there were 4 Blackhearts, then 4 out of the 8 living players would be Blackhearts and the game would already be over. If there are 3 Blackhearts(and I can’t imagine that there’d be fewer), then we’re at lynch or lose whether there are 8 of us remaining or 7. Second, I am the Doctor, and I’m going to prove it again toMorrow morning by telling you all who I protected toNight. Whoever gets protected toNight: stay quiet, please so I can confirm myself, again. I don’t know why AllWalker got a guilty when he investigated me. The only thing I can figure is that he got hit by a scum redirector. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2243 "2009-06-02T04:11:20Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Where did I say you lied? > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Plus he is new to the game and at least makes it seem like he doesn’t really know how the fuck the game should be played or what is expected of town. Or simple rules like town doesn’t lie. > > He’s not only distracting, but now I don’t even think his confusing posts can be trusted… What other conclusion should I draw ? > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > … you seem to think that if you didn’t say something, I can’t infer it. **LIKEWISE.** > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > In fact, very rarely are we given any solid evidence to base our lynches on. And when we do have Evidence to lynch, we turn up wrong. Trust me, I’ve been here, fairly recently. > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Alright Meeko… let’s entertain the “fact”… explain to me in number with the remaining players how the sinners could be more screwed than town. I demonstrated numbers that showed what I truly believe is the current state of the game… you do that same and I’ll reconsider. Personally, back when we had the entire Chinese post restriction, someone else voiced an opinion that the change to sin was a bad idea. This was around the same time we lynched Paul the first. Paul the first could sinfect as a result of his powers. Soon after that, we got rid of Hester prynne herself. We have had multiple instances where previously sinfected town told us they were praying. I believe that Paul the second, or third, was one of these people. Paul with sinfection side effects, Gone. Prynne with who knows what roles Prynee had… Gone Sinfection due to last person to vote for Execute … Gone We have Lynched / Ostra that word I never wanted to spell again Sinners. We have yet to touch BlackHearts. The rules, as this noob understands them, is that the game has at LEAST 2:1 town to scum ratio. We have been playing for just over a month. 10 people have gone – 2 a week. 8 people left. The game is not over yet. So. I think we have something like the following: Town Black Sin 6 1 1 5 2 1 4 2 2 Now that I gave you this info, scum, just remember, that it is my first game. So, take it with a grain of salt. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2244 "2009-06-02T04:15:58Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Personally, back when we had the entire Chinese post restriction, someone else voiced an opinion that the change to sin was a bad idea. This was around the same time we lynched Paul the first. Paul the first could sinfect as a result of his powers. This game is Murder on the A.D.D. NETA : It was around the Chinese post-restriction, that someone stated that sinners had a tough route to go. \*\* I am not now, or ever have I ever been sinfected.\*\* However, the point raised here made perfect sense to me, to keep in mind, if I ever became sinfected. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2245 "2009-06-02T04:20:12Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > seems your voting record is pretty shitty Meeko. Tell me how hard your first game was paul. I am not sinner, but Noob. Or did you forget that? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2246 "2009-06-02T04:35:54Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > The test for scum : > > Scum will Delete parts of their role, if they have to claim. > Scum will Add parts of their role, if they have to claim. > > Allwalker did both. > I never hid the fact that I tested Allwalker. > > So, WTF are you talking about? > > I do not need to state again what “Editing” means. Allwalker pinged me. He fit the ONLY two criteria that scum need to do to appear town. > > Where the fuck are you getting 33%? > > Pede, for the gastardly Role PM. > Allwalker for botching his Role pm when claimed. > Me, for what ever you want to get me for. > > This of course, ignores everyone else that voted Allwalker. Clearly, Scum voted for him. [This is pure math, if I understand the game correctly, at this point] > > I think I hurt your poor little feelings and you had to try and make this personal. :eek: You really want me on you like this? ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2247 "2009-06-02T05:05:59Z")
I give up on this game… I can’t take trying to figure out Meeko anymore… I can’t take the fact that the role PM’s were not standardized on purpose… it verges on gastard… I can’t stand the fact that on reveal of a town death we aren’t told if they were pure or not at the time of death. I give up. Mod kill me please… I just want to be done with it… I know I have already lost the game, so forcing me to stay in is basically just to allow the sinners or Blackhearts to hash out who wins. The game has lost it’s fun. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2248 "2009-06-02T05:19:27Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I give up on this game… I can’t take trying to figure out Meeko anymore… I can’t take the fact that the role PM’s were not standardized on purpose… it verges on gastard… I can’t stand the fact that on reveal of a town death we aren’t told if they were pure or not at the time of death. > > I give up. > > Mod kill me please… I just want to be done with it… I know I have already lost the game, so forcing me to stay in is basically just to allow the sinners or Blackhearts to hash out who wins. The game has lost it’s fun. > [@Meeko](#): > > I still don’t understand why you thought being Sinner Bulletproof was a secret you got to to keep to yourself. Apparently you learned the hard way. If saying that makes me more scummy than not, I could not care less, I am in extra innings as far as I am concerned here. It seems we do agree on something. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2249 "2009-06-02T05:36:37Z")
\*\*Actually Pede… you don’t need to modkill me if you think it would ruin the game for the rest of the players… but I won’t be participating in the game any more. I pretty much consider myself dead and am going to act as such and not post in the game anymore and will/have moved myself to the forbidden thread. Thanks for the game Pede.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2250 "2009-06-02T05:53:54Z")
Mahaloth: I mean nothing more than just this : Am I making sense to you? You know my style, in and out of gaming. Given what we got here, I think I am doing more than treading water. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2251 "2009-06-02T13:39:13Z")
1. It’s always so entertaining to wake up in the morning and read the discussion that has occurred during the night. 😃 2. Paul, have you already gone to the forbidden thread? Why do you feel you have to respond to Meeko…like it’s your job or something? If Meeko is bothering you, don’t get involved in an active conversation with him unless you really have to. > [@Meeko](#): > > Mahaloth: > > I mean nothing more than just this : > > Am I making sense to you? You know my style, in and out of gaming. Given what we got here, I think I am doing more than treading water. 1. Well, you don’t always makes sense to me, but you didn’t in Haggle either. None of us make perfect sense…when playing Mafia. In Haggle, a partial goal of the game is trying to figure out the rules and then make trades/moves that will give yourself the advantage. In Mafia, figuring out the rules(which are mostly related to roles) is quite key, but there are no rule slips. Because there are no rule slips, you can only really make educated guesses. Realize, Meeko, in many mafia games, we would have gotten a scum by now…not every game goes this long without success. Don’t get too frustrated or use this game as an exclusive sample of what Mafia is like. You are definitely doing more than treading water. To me, treading water in this game is done by those who barely post or don’t post at all. Speaking of which, have we heard from peeker since Night began? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2252 "2009-06-02T14:27:51Z")
While not clicking on the thread, I saw at one point, the last person to post in the forbidden thread was indeed Paul. Immediately, I came in here, and found the explanation I figured I would see here. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2253 "2009-06-02T14:47:33Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > While not clicking on the thread, I saw at one point, the last person to post in the forbidden thread was indeed Paul. Immediately, I came in here, and found the explanation I figured I would see here. I still don’t get why he is so frustrated. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2254 "2009-06-02T14:53:01Z")
Damn. I guess **paul** is no longer with us. I’m sorry he got so frustrated, and I totally agree that trying to carefully read, much less respond to and discuss, everything that **Meeko** says in this game is the path that leads to insanity. I guess responding to his response to my earlier post is kind of beside the point now… but really, if he is Town, deciding to drop out of the game is, um, not good pro-Town play. I’m sure we (assuming that there is at least one other Townie still out there!) would all prefer for this game to be going differently, but I’m still going to keep trying. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2255 "2009-06-02T15:02:24Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > First off, a doc block doesn’t change the equation at all. If there were 4 Blackhearts, then 4 out of the 8 living players would be Blackhearts and the game would already be over. If there are 3 Blackhearts(and I can’t imagine that there’d be fewer), then we’re at lynch or lose whether there are 8 of us remaining or 7. > > Second, I am the Doctor, and I’m going to prove it again toMorrow morning by telling you all who I protected toNight. Whoever gets protected toNight: stay quiet, please so I can confirm myself, again. > > I don’t know why AllWalker got a guilty when he investigated me. The only thing I can figure is that he got hit by a scum redirector. And this, of course, is the crux of what we have to decide Tomorrow. Somehow I got confused in the post **Rysto** is replying to, I don’t know what I was thinking. I still do believe that **Rysto** is the player responsible for the “warm feelings of protection” some players have been experiencing. Based on **Angel’s** testimony that recruited Sinners don’t get to know who their teammates are or participate on the Sin board, I think **paul’s** idea that **Meeko** has sinverted and cooked up some kind of plan with **Rysto** and\*\* peeker\*\* is highly unlikely, though I can’t rule it out entirely. So, I can think of two possibilities that now seem consistent with the data at hand. The first, and IMO likeliest, is that **Rysto** is in fact a Blackheart Doc who protects against sin (or maybe doesn’t protect at all, but just gives warm feelings), and has made excellent use of the pseudo-self-confirming nature of his power. The second, as\*\* Rysto \*\*has just suggested, is that the scum somehow interfered with **AllWalker’s** investigation. I expect to be voting for **Rysto** tomorrow, but would like to hear everyone else’s thoughts on which of the above seem most plausible, or if there is some other possibility I haven’t considered. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2256 "2009-06-02T15:23:46Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Damn. I guess **paul** is no longer with us. I’m sorry he got so frustrated, and I totally agree that trying to carefully read, much less respond to and discuss, everything that **Meeko** says in this game is the path that leads to insanity. I guess responding to his response to my earlier post is kind of beside the point now… but really, if he is Town, deciding to drop out of the game is, um, not good pro-Town play. I’m sure we (assuming that there is at least one other Townie still out there!) would all prefer for this game to be going differently, but I’m still going to keep trying. Thing Fish : I am still playing, and I am still town. It’s been an interesting first Mafia game for me. I am going to play again, but it’s going to be a game that is a lot easier. The real problem of it all, is that, I think Paul figured out for himself, that I am not sinner. He could of at LEAST made a post where he apologized to me. I can’t help him understand if he just shuts down. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2257 "2009-06-02T15:55:30Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I still don’t get why he is so frustrated. It is a challenging game. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2258 "2009-06-02T17:07:58Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > It is a challenging game. It seems like he was mostly frustrated answering your questions and responding to your comments. What I don’t get is why he felt so obligated to do so. When AllWalker debated with you, it was because his butt was on the line. Unless I missed it, had you accused paul? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2259 "2009-06-02T18:13:03Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > While not clicking on the thread, I saw at one point, the last person to post in the forbidden thread was indeed Paul. Immediately, I came in here, and found the explanation I figured I would see here. **Ped, what happens now with Paul posting in the forbidden thread?** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2260 "2009-06-02T20:17:54Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Unless I missed it, had you accused paul? The opposite. Paul is “convinced” that I am sinfected. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=112) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=114)