# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 118
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2009, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2341 "2009-06-08T23:48:04Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\* > So, wait, you mean, you mean, that when I was voting for Mahaloth, I was on to something? :eek: > > At least you guys had the decency to lynch me in public. > > \*\* > Edited to Add, because I can :\*\* > > Now on to that dang blasted forbidden thread. > > Do we get the deets on the scum board too ? 1. Yes, you were on to me, but I’m not sure if any of your reasons were logical. 2. We discussed Night Killing you on…Night One, but decided your posts were quite…useful to us. 🙂 3. Ped should open Scum Board to you, which is very interesting if you want to read it. Please read it in chronological order to understand how things developed. It was…interesting. > [@Meeko](#): > > \*\*And if someone could please explain how Ostercizing was SUPPOSED to work, that would be great. > \*\* > > I just want to remember the REAL problem with this game. Luck and Noobs aside. Ostracization was not the problem. Lack of consistent posting and subs were a big problem for the Town. The Scum were stable and active the whole game(rysto subbed in very early). > [@Meeko](#): > > So. > > What was wrong with calling out someone for editing their claim? Nothing was wrong with it. It’s not a bad idea, in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2342 "2009-06-09T00:29:17Z")
> [@](#): > > So. > > What was wrong with calling out someone for editing their claim? > > Tell me how this logic doesn’t work. Nothing except for the fact that **AllWalker** didn’t edit his claim. He paraphrased it, and then when people asked him for the exact wording, he gave the exact wording. OK, so maybe he ought to have given the exact quote the first time instead of the paraphrase, but that’s not the end of the world. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2343 "2009-06-09T00:32:31Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Nothing except for the fact that **AllWalker** didn’t edit his claim. He paraphrased it, and then when people asked him for the exact wording, he gave the exact wording. OK, so maybe he ought to have given the exact quote the first time instead of the paraphrase, but that’s not the end of the world. Though you have to admit it IS a scum tactic to offer up a paraphrased PM first, before posting a fake one…just to see if it’ll be bought. That’s what I did when I just said that I’m a Vanilla Town, the TF asked me for the PM and stole it. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2344 "2009-06-09T00:34:34Z")
Oh, and: > [@](#): > > And if someone could please explain how Ostercizing was SUPPOSED to work, that would be great. It was supposed to work exactly the way it did work. We vote on someone to kick out of the town, whomever gets the most votes leaves, and in some cases they can do something on the way out. The mechanics of ostracization were explicitly described by the moderator at the beginning of the game, and those mechanics did not change. There was originally also an option for execution, but the moderator decided that that was a bad mechanic, and so removed that option entirely, so how execution worked was “it didn’t”. > [@](#): > > Though you have to admit it IS a scum tactic to offer up a paraphrased PM first, before posting a fake one…just to see if it’ll be bought. > That’s what I did when I just said that I’m a Vanilla Town, the TF asked me for the PM and stole it. You being a scum who did actually use that tactic, I’ll take your word for it, but I’m not sure how that’s beneficial to scum. It’s not like, if it isn’t bought, you can go back and say “Oh, well, in that case I’m something else.”. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2345 "2009-06-09T00:43:23Z")
What I mean is when asked to claim you can say “I’m \_\_\_\_\_\_ and my powers are \_\_\_\_\_\_\_” if it’s bought you don’t have to worry about faking a PM and having it look different then others (either word for word or in the format of it). At least that’s my theory for why paraphrasing your PM would be benefical to scum. AW OTOH did it for an entirely different reason. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2346 "2009-06-09T00:55:08Z")
By the way, Meeko, it was me who initially listed the lack of “You are Town” in AllWalker’s PM as a reason for distrust. I was glad you picked up on it. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2347 "2009-06-09T00:59:29Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > By the way, Meeko, it was me who initially listed the lack of “You are Town” in AllWalker’s PM as a reason for distrust. > > I was glad you picked up on it. I had Allwalker Second in my list. You right before Chronos. Suffice to say, If I ever get a scum role. … Just be glad I got my feet wet with a town role. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2348 "2009-06-09T01:06:36Z")
Meeko, ask Ped to let you read the Scum board and read it. I think it is quite worth it. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2349 "2009-06-09T02:18:36Z")
_:The camera pans out, to reveal two vegetables sitting next to a computer:_ “So Bob, what did we learn today?” “Well, I learned that sometimes your village can be infiltrated by demons, and you have to be really careful about accusing your fellow man.” “Huh. I learned that a ruined Puritan village looks a lot like a crop circle. An intricate crop circle!” Anyway, here’s what I got from this game: **Modding is hard.** **Complexity for complexity’s sake is bad.** Yeah. There were, what, two roles that cared about the O/E mechanic by the final set-up? That should have been removed from the beginning. **The no-editing rule is kinda over the top.** There weren’t really any consequences to the lack of a no editing rule. Also, the time limit really helps. **Lurking is worse when other players are really active.** This one is pretty interesting. Becuase Meeko was so talkative, the lurkers had a much tougher time actually playing, making things worse. I guess the lesson is…uh… **There’s a reason most mods don’t sub past Day 2.** Becuase it creates lurkers and ghosts. **Double-triple-check your setup.** Aside from my mistake of keeping in the O/E mechanic, I failed to realize that paul’s first role could have been a Game Breaker for the Sinners if he had joined them. :smack: **God’s a pretty cool guy.** But kinda crazy. [Spoiler Board](http://notsogenericscum.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=planning2) [Scum Board](http://notsogenericscum.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=paintitblack) [Mason Board](http://themasonry.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bodieswhoarebusy) ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2350 "2009-06-09T02:29:45Z")
**Ped, I have emailed/Pmed you about me modding the next game. Let me know what you think.** ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2351 "2009-06-09T02:55:10Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > **Ped, I have emailed/Pmed you about me modding the next game. Let me know what you think.** Sounds good to me. There’s really no formal process, it’s just whoever happens to be ready and willing. But before you start, I’d show your setup to _at least_ one other person to make sure it’s balanced. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2352 "2009-06-09T02:59:37Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Sounds good to me. There’s really no formal process, it’s just whoever happens to be ready and willing. > > But before you start, I’d show your setup to _at least_ one other person to make sure it’s balanced. Hey, thanks. PM me about how to set up the Secret Boards(for scum and so forth). I’d appreciate it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2353 "2009-06-09T03:22:10Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > [Spoiler Board](http://notsogenericscum.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=planning2) > [Scum Board](http://notsogenericscum.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=paintitblack) > [Mason Board](http://themasonry.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=bodieswhoarebusy) oh, really, don’t read the mason board. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2354 "2009-06-09T03:24:17Z")
The secret boards all still ask for login/password. Also, was there a Sinner board? I’ve got an idea in mind for a game, too, but I figure I ought to get a little more experience playing first. ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2355 "2009-06-09T04:49:02Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > **Double-triple-check your setup.** Aside from my mistake of keeping in the O/E mechanic, I failed to realize that paul’s first role could have been a Game Breaker for the Sinners if he had joined them. :smack: Yeah, I was wondering about that. I take it that he was not sinner immune (I think he claimed he was at some point)? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2356 "2009-06-09T05:12:36Z")
I don’t think he claimed to be sin-immune, especially considering that one of his own powers would have Sinfected himself. I think that some Scum might have accused him of claiming that, though, to discredit him. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2357 "2009-06-09T05:16:30Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The secret boards all still ask for login/password. Also, was there a Sinner board? > > I’ve got an idea in mind for a game, too, but I figure I ought to get a little more experience playing first. Fixed. And yes, there was a sinner board, but it had a grand total of 9 posts, of which most were uninteresting. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2358 "2009-06-09T05:41:39Z")
Ah, well played scum. I can’t feel too had about losing to such a well coordinated team. I’d just like to point out - **Rysto** was a Scum Doctor. It’s way to late to say I told you so, so I wont. But this was a clever game played by clever people… I had a lot of fun. Thanks guys! ---
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2359 "2009-06-09T14:14:40Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Fixed. > > And yes, there was a sinner board, but it had a grand total of 9 posts, of which most were uninteresting. I still can’t see the scum or spoiled boards, but mason works. > [@special\_ed](#): > > oh, really, don’t read the mason board. i read the first page. I’m sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2009, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/2360 "2009-06-09T14:32:25Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > I’d just like to point out - **Rysto** was a _Scum_ Doctor. Italics mine. Never said he wasn’t. * * * So, here is what gets me. The one thing I didn’t follow up on, was actually looking at Mahaloth for actual reasons. When I did, all of the right people more or less were like “Mahaloth has done no wrong, how can he not be Town”? * * * What is the most unusual role you have ever seen played? [Open to all] * * * I am not going to apologize. I actually enjoyed the game. I am going to play other Mafia games. If you object to this, then you can improve your game, don’t attack my experience, when we both know how many games I have under my belt. Everyone has room to Improve. EVERYONE. I enjoy the game, and the next game will not be as complex. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=117) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=119)