# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Telcontar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3bc359/32.png) [@Telcontar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telcontar)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/221 "2009-04-30T20:16:10Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > 1. The reason I said, “It’s cool” in post 164(not 162) was because I was trying to be nice. I changed my mind because I realized he had executed someone when I really think we should ostracize people. > > 2. You do know that I was talking about “lynch the lurker” for quite a while as my top choice, before I voted to ostracize Spurious. I admitted that I talked myself back to that theory when I lynched Captain Pinkies. > > Anyway, what do other people think about voting for the lurker? I think that lynch the lurker only works when the lurker is town. Otherwise someone starts another drumbeat ( **spurious g**?) and that’s that. Also, if captain pinkies is scum then he probably have 5+ PMs waiting for him next time he logs on telling him to get his ass over here and say something. And spurious did explain his execution vote after the fact: > [@](#): > > I took ped’s statement to imply that Ostracization was an inferior and unreliable way of eliminating someone. Executing has its dangers, but it works. > > Perhaps I should have joined a less obfuscated and complex game for my first board game here. “Figuring out the rules as you stumble along” is not a game state I generally enjoy. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/222 "2009-04-30T20:31:30Z")
\*\*\*\*Pedescribe, you say that days are five days long. Does that mean the DAY is set? There’s no number of votes under which a hammer situation occurs? ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/223 "2009-04-30T20:32:32Z")
NETA: **Pedescribe, you say that days are five days long. Does that mean the day is set? There’s no number of votes under which a hammer situation occurs?** ---
**Author:** ![Spurious\_George](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/94ad74/32.png) [@Spurious\_George](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spurious_George)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/224 "2009-04-30T21:45:36Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > **Spurious G** (sounds like a white suburban rapper) has got five (now four) votes for a total of four reasons, three of which seem completely, well, spurious to me. > > 1 -2. He “identified himself as a sinner” and “took offense” to **Mahaloth’s** putting him on a list of low posters. Both of these seemed like obvious jokes to me. > > 1. He voted to execute without clearly explaining why. As I stated in my post yesterday, I don’t feel it’s safe to assume that just because execution has an _obvious_ downside, ostracization must be the preferred option. I think it is much more likely that ostracizing has some not-yet-obvious downside, and that we don’t yet have enough information to make an informed judgment about which is preferable. So, I’m not going to jump on him for that, any more than I will jump on the numerous players who voted to ostracize without explaining why. > > 2. He says he is “a fan of bandwagons”. :dubious: Really? The only people I know who like bandwagons for their own sake are scum who see them as easy ways to eliminate Townies. I definitely would like to hear some clarification on this point, **Spurious.** 1-2) Though my phrasing was clearly imperfect, of course I did not “admit to being a Sinner” - on the contrary, I am without Sin, so I felt Biblically justified in casting the first stone. I really meant to remind players that if an execution takes place, there is a penalty for the last voter. Thus being the first voter guaranteed I would remain unblemished if an Execution took place. 1. Mentioned already that I interpret Ostracization to be weaker than Execution, however I was also keeping in mind that we are floundering in the dark a bit with how the 2 types of Execution will work. Until we really see how they work, we have little knowledge of their efficacies, differences, or situational uses. We’re probably going to have to use them both at least once. I figured to just get the conversational ball rolling on **E vs. O.** 2. No, not really a fan of bandwagons. I simply wanted to get in an early, as opposed to late and backfiring vote. And I figured I would point my finger where another had already been pointed (for at least some stated reason - editing - perhaps not a good reason), rather than select a new random target. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/225 "2009-04-30T21:47:31Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > NETA: **Pedescribe, you say that days are five days long. Does that mean the day is set? There’s no number of votes under which a hammer situation occurs?** This is correct. Attention, everyone! Paulwhoisaghost has subbed in for Idle Thoughts. Please give him a warm welcome. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/226 "2009-04-30T21:49:50Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > This is correct. > Attention, everyone! > > Paulwhoisaghost has subbed in for Idle Thoughts. Please give him a warm welcome. Unvo… Nah. 😉 Welcome aboard Paulwhowasgoingtoplayinthefirstplace!!! Right? I mean you were in the first 3 sign up spots, right? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/227 "2009-04-30T21:51:33Z")
\*\*Don’t we still have one or two sub spots to fill? \*\* ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/228 "2009-04-30T22:08:11Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\*Don’t we still have one or two sub spots to fill? \*\* Yes. SirDirx still needs a sub. I have a few people who could do it, but none of them particularly want to; if I can’t find anyone else soon, then one of them will go in. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/229 "2009-04-30T22:26:31Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > b > > **Ostracize Angel of the North** > > I also note that **Angel** looks like a good choice from the “lynch the lurker” perspective as well… > > My E/O decision, by the way, was made by coin flip. I am not a lurker. I am someone who is seriously confused by the mechanics of this message board. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/230 "2009-04-30T22:27:35Z")
Um, see above. I am NOT voting to ostracize myself. I was trying to quote Thing Fish. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/231 "2009-04-30T22:42:00Z")
> [@Spurious\_George](#): > > Thus being the first voter guaranteed I would remain unblemished if an Execution took place. Except for in two situations that I can think of. 1)You are the ONLY person to vote for the entire day or 2)All the other votes are on two other players who are tied (AND the both have the same amount of execute votes). Unlikely, yes, but it’s possible that putting in the first vote on someone may still put the seed of sin in you. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/232 "2009-04-30T23:12:07Z")
Another point: If someone gets executed, _someone_ will receive the Seed of Sin. Why is it worse if it’s you than if it’s anyone else? You can trust yourself to pray (unless you intend to go sinful), but you can’t trust anyone else to. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2009, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/233 "2009-04-30T23:42:11Z")
Okay, I’m not happy with Spurious George’s “I’m all for bandwagons,” but I’m also not happy with the subsequent votes piling up on him. I’m also not thrilled with Thing Fish saying he flipped a coin to decide whether to ostracize or execute. That’s too random. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Pinkies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d78d45/32.png) [@Captain\_Pinkies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Pinkies)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/234 "2009-05-01T00:20:18Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > In the last game I played(Werewolf Mafia The Split), we had an equally hard time in that game trying to figure out who to kill on Day One. > > Ultimately, in that game, we killed a player who was totally silent(it was a guy named november, I think). I am fairly sure he was a townie, but it did get us started. > > Anyway, while it is no better than chance, it is certainly one way to choose. We have no info. on anyone. No scum have slipped and I rather doubt they will on Day One. > > Currently, if I’m reading the post count and player list correctly, **Captain Pickles** is the only active player with only 1 post(which must have been his join post). > > Wait,\*\* Nanook\*\* also only has one post. > > **Spurious George** and **Justin Credible** have 2 posts, by the way. > > I mean, I have nothing against any of these people, but it’s a reasonably fair way to execute/ostracize. No players who are active really want to die on Day One, while someone not playing very much slides through. Besides, scum could easily choose to hide and be quiet in order to stay alive for a Day or two. > > Please, check my post count analysis. If I missed anyone with 1 or 2 posts, it’s just a simple error. My eyes get tired lining up the active player list with the post count list. Obviously, we should wait to see if anyone shows up today and tomorrow(Thursday). > > I think if Captain Pickles or Nanook don’t show up by Friday, we should ostracize them. It’d be fair, anyway. > > Anyway, thoughts? Good idea? Horrible idea? the captain has arrived… sorry… I was toking on the hookah a little to hard and fell a sleep… but I am here now trying to catch up… ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/235 "2009-05-01T00:29:41Z")
Hi guys… luckily this time I am subbing into a game that is still in its first day and I don’t have hundreds or thousands of posts to catch up on… so I’m pretty much all caught up. Day ends on Sunday right? Ok then for now I am gonna sleep on it and figure out who I want to vote… but it definitely won’t be SpurGe as that whole bandwagon is a joke. A few things about myself real quick since I missed introductions. I started playing Mafia online in January of this year… maybe February… can’t remember… I have 7 games under my belt… am currently playing in 5 including this one and modding as well. My win-loss record is 2 wins, 2 loss… I don’t count game I sub into past Day 2. I’m almost always seen as scummy by other town even when I am not. [Here is a link](http://wiki.flyingcowofdoom.com/mafiaWiki/Paulwhoisaghost#Games_Played)to my page on the mafiagames wiki if you are even remotely interested… I doubt that is the case. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/236 "2009-05-01T00:31:17Z")
\*\*Do the Sinners inherently have a Mark of Sin? What happens if a player choses to become a Sinner but then prays to have the Seed removed?\*\* ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/237 "2009-05-01T00:44:41Z")
> [@Telcontar](#): > > This is a really silly criteria to use. fairly new player edited a post to change a color _at the start of the game_. It was a mistake, but I imagine **Angel** gets that by now. A very experienced player from another site who knows the perils of editing posts, and the fact that editing is usually a rule violation in games and should have read that it was ill-advised in this game. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/238 "2009-05-01T00:46:29Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > This is correct. > Attention, everyone! > > Paulwhoisaghost has subbed in for Idle Thoughts. Please give him a warm welcome. oh crap ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/239 "2009-05-01T00:51:42Z")
I don’t see the case against **Spurious G** being all that strange, for Day 1 at least. Though I do accept that people are interpreting what are clearly jokes as scum tells. If I came out and said “_I am voting for Player X kthxbai_” I would expect to attract votes against me. Add to that the controversy surrounding E vs O, it makes it even stranger. As for E vs O, let’s look at what we know and can guess Pro O arguments: \*No Seed of Sin \*If Powered Town is ostracised, they can still use their powers at Night. This is highly significant, as powers and numbers are the only two advantages town has. \*It wouldn’t surprise me if there is a way to bring ostracized players back. Pure speculation on my part, but I wouldn’t put it past **ped** to come up with something like that. Since we will find out a player’s alignment on ostracising, we would not bring back scum. If you think this is an unlikely speculation, fair enough, so do I. Pro E arguments: \*Powered scum are unable to return/use powers. If a scum returns, what would be the big deal? We’d kill them nice and proper. And we don’t even know that scum _have_ powers, or if they are worth worrying about. I want to reiterate a point: **powers and numbers are the only two advantages town has**. Destroying power roles through simple mistakes or bad lucks is not pro-town. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/240 "2009-05-01T01:02:41Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > I want to reiterate a point: **powers and numbers are the only two advantages town has**. Destroying power roles through simple mistakes or bad lucks is not pro-town. Our real power comes from our brains. Finding the Scum and the Scum motivations behind people’s play is our true strength. We can’t rely on powers roles to win. We’ve got to use our brains. They’ll a lot more than a lucky break by a protector or an investigator. Now, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t protect them and use them, but we just shouldn’t rely on them and lose hope if they die. I’m not disagreeing with you on this point, I’m just elaborating 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=13)