# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/321 "2009-05-02T03:24:13Z")
After much waiting and debilitating, I have decided that: Rysto will replace SirDirx in this game! However, he may not be particularly talkative. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/322 "2009-05-02T03:24:15Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Yes, specialed, I took Ped to mean that Ostracization was essentially a slightly risky, delayed removal of the game. > > The “slight risk”, in my interpretation, is that the scum(if we are lucky and get a scum out) could carry out their Nighttime power role. OTOH though if we end up ostricating town, they too, can still use their power roles at night. Obviously we don’t have a list of the town power roles, but I assume there is at least one or two protectors of various types and probably some other roles that don’t require information to be returned (like an investigator). So again, go for ostrication when you’re not sure. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/323 "2009-05-02T03:28:09Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > \*\* > Meeko\*\*, why do you want to vote for yourself? > [@Mahaloth](#): > > 1. I wouldn’t assume Meeko wants to vote for himself. He may have some other reason to ask. > > Meeko, if you do want out, you can get a sub. Scum or not, you really should get a sub if you want out. Please, stay, though. You are fun in games like this and Haggle. Let’s take these in reverse order:: 1. I want to stay in the game. I enjoy Mafia and Haggle. 2. Mahaloth, you know my Haggle play, you have seen it. I saw an interesting angle to the game here, and was curious. I did not expect the quesiton to take on so much fire, however. Mafia is not Haggle. In Haggle, I’d already be even more sideways in logic than my last Mafia question would get at. 3. I reject the question, Freudian Slit. The question was on the theory of the vote, not on the practice. However, I think that a question has been raised on if ostracizing grants a night power to the ostracized. In the same vein: \*\*If I am the last to vote “Execute Meeko” (I doubt I ever will.) and indeed I do get executed, who gets ensinned? \*\* Rest Assured, I have no plans to shoot my self in the foot in Mafia. My Tactics in Haggle, notwithstanding. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/324 "2009-05-02T03:30:47Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Let’s take these in reverse order:: > > 1. I want to stay in the game. I enjoy Mafia and Haggle. > > 2. Mahaloth, you know my Haggle play, you have seen it. I saw an interesting angle to the game here, and was curious. I did not expect the quesiton to take on so much fire, however. Mafia is not Haggle. In Haggle, I’d already be even more sideways in logic than my last Mafia question would get at. > > 3. I reject the question, Freudian Slit. The question was on the theory of the vote, not on the practice. > > However, I think that a question has been raised on if ostracizing grants a night power to the ostracized. > > In the same vein: > > \*\*If I am the last to vote “Execute Meeko” (I doubt I ever will.) and indeed I do get executed, who gets ensinned? \*\* > > Rest Assured, I have no plans to shoot my self in the foot in Mafia. > > My Tactics in Haggle, notwithstanding. No-one. The mod’s brain will have exploded. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/325 "2009-05-02T03:33:58Z")
NETA: **If I am the last to vote, PERIOD, and I vote “Execute Meeko”, who gets ensinned?** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/326 "2009-05-02T03:35:09Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > No-one. The mod’s brain will have exploded. Never played Haggle, I take it, pedescribe? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/327 "2009-05-02T03:35:31Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > After much waiting and debilitating, I have decided that: > > Rysto will replace SirDirx in this game! > > However, he may not be particularly talkative. and there shall be much weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/328 "2009-05-02T03:37:23Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Never played Haggle, I take it, pedescribe? 🙂 Nope! But I will read the Haggle thread now… ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Credible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a8b319/32.png) [@Justin\_Credible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Credible)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/329 "2009-05-02T03:39:28Z")
It looks like I’m not going to be able to keep up with the game after all. Better sub me out. Sorry… ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/330 "2009-05-02T03:41:08Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Nope! But I will read the Haggle thread now… Oh, may God be with you. Quickly reading the recent Haggle thread is like trying to climb Mt. Everest, while breaking the marathon world record and navigate a labyrinth at the same time. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/331 "2009-05-02T03:41:44Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Nope! But I will read the Haggle thread now… pedescribe: I will save you the trouble. I have made it a, let’s call it strategy,\*\* IN HAGGLE \*_, to shoot my self in the foot_. Then, I wait for the Shock to die out, and for Doubt to take over. At that point, I make players watch me shoot my self in the foot AGAIN, but only after I get compensation for it. \*All part of the show, I assure you. The shooting my self in the foot, **IN HAGGLE** , is well calculated. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/332 "2009-05-02T03:43:40Z")
> [@Justin\_Credible](#): > > It looks like I’m not going to be able to keep up with the game after all. Better sub me out. Sorry… Oh, that’s too bad, Justin. Sure? You were so cool in the Werewolf game. Yeesh, three(is it?) subs in Day One. Yikes! ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/333 "2009-05-02T03:45:26Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Oh, that’s too bad, Justin. > > Sure? You were so cool in the Werewolf game. > > Yeesh, three(is it?) subs in Day One. Yikes! Again, I am staying put here. No need to worry about me. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/334 "2009-05-02T03:46:04Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Oh, that’s too bad, Justin. > > Sure? You were so cool in the Werewolf game. > > Yeesh, three(is it?) subs in Day One. Yikes! Indeed. And furthermore, GuyIncognitto hasn’t shown up yet. Quite troublesome. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/335 "2009-05-02T03:47:47Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Oh, may God be with you. > > Quickly reading the recent Haggle thread is like trying to climb Mt. Everest, while breaking the marathon world record and navigate a labyrinth at the same time. > > 🙂 Psshaw! You’re talking to the guy who read through Mafia: YSI and Mafia: Conspiracy on consecutive nights. I’ll be fine…I hope. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/336 "2009-05-02T03:48:28Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > NETA: **If I am the last to vote, PERIOD, and I vote “Execute Meeko”, who gets ensinned?** This seems like a tactic to make sure the person who puts the final execution order on you doesn’t get ensinned. As odd as it seems to be on the surface, if it works the way it _technically_ should work, it’s seems to be a very pro-town play. That is, if a townie is going to be executed, the town player can vote for himself if he’s sure the current last vote came from another town player. It would, in fact, protect town. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/337 "2009-05-02T03:55:19Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > This seems like a tactic to make sure the person who puts the final execution order on you doesn’t get ensinned. > As odd as it seems to be on the surface, if it works the way it _technically_ should work, it’s seems to be a very pro-town play. That is, if a townie is going to be executed, the town player can vote for himself if he’s sure the current last vote came from another town player. It would, in fact, protect town. I love you guys. Can I just say that? I mean seriously, you are beginning to think like I do. 🙂 :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/338 "2009-05-02T03:58:12Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > This seems like a tactic to make sure the person who puts the final execution order on you doesn’t get ensinned. > As odd as it seems to be on the surface, if it works the way it _technically_ should work, it’s seems to be a very pro-town play. That is, if a townie is going to be executed, the town player can vote for himself if he’s sure the current last vote came from another town player. It would, in fact, protect town. Alright…when you give it a reason… If the person about to be executed voluntarily commits the act himself, he would be tainted, with no way to remove it or act on it…furthemore, he would have no opportunity to decide his fate. Meaning, he would die, **and his win condition would change as if he had embraced the Sin**. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/339 "2009-05-02T04:03:26Z")
Now we are getting somewhere. Pede, get your “Unduly alter the gamestate” hot key ready. **How can Blackhearts “embrace” the sin?** I mean, you just did a scum tell there Pedescribe. There are other ways to become ensinned, than by voting. **Am I right?** Heh. You know, I just might be able to get this game going sideways yet. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2009, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/340 "2009-05-02T04:14:33Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > **How can Blackhearts “embrace” the sin?** > > I mean, you just did a scum tell there Pedescribe. There are other ways to become ensinned, than by voting. **Am I right?** > Heh. You know, I just might be able to get this game going sideways yet. 1. F4 2. Yes. The Sinners, as you could imagine, would have a devil (ha!) of a time winning otherwise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=18)