# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/421 "2009-05-03T17:08:06Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > \*\*Am I right that in this game, we can continue discussing strategy during Night? Also, I assume this means discussion is fine, but we can not possibly place a vote until Daytime, right? \*\* > > Just want to make sure I follow the proper rules. All of this is correct. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/422 "2009-05-03T17:09:36Z")
**I second Mahaloth’s question** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/423 "2009-05-03T17:10:45Z")
However, we should be extra careful in what we say durring the night, given that night choices as such, are now being used, ans we don’t need to give scum on the fence additional reasons to vote for us. Correct? ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/424 "2009-05-03T17:24:08Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > However, we should be extra careful in what we say durring the night, given that night choices as such, are now being used, ans we don’t need to give scum on the fence additional reasons to vote for us. > > Correct? Well, you have to be careful with reasoning like this. Mafia is a team game: you win or lose with your team. The best way for everybody to play is to speak up and get their suspicions(and votes) on the record. We have a big numerical advantage over the anti-town groups, but we’re at a huge information deficit. Our job is to spend that numerical advantage to gain information with which we can catch scum. The more that people participate, the more information we gain. So while staying quiet can be a good way to stay alive(or not – scum often target the quiet players looking for power roles!), it’s bad for the Town and doesn’t help the town reach its win condition. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/425 "2009-05-03T17:49:48Z")
I just thought about something. \*\* With the EXCEPTION of Spurious George, are there any other Townies that are impure? Do All townies start play pure?\*\* I don’t think, frankly, that we could have made any other move than the one we made. **Why do we have to state “Previously Pure” ? is there some consideration to some faction, on a player that was previously pure? \*\* \*\* Which side does Osterization help?** How can someone answer that question, with out giving a tell? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/426 "2009-05-03T18:02:30Z")
Why the exception to George, he (assuming I understand everything correctly) is still pure. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Pinkies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d78d45/32.png) [@Captain\_Pinkies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Pinkies)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/427 "2009-05-03T19:02:46Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Well… I need to vote… and right now the two things that are bugging me the most are Rysto saying that me bringing up ideas that I have is “scaremongering” and seeming to try to stifle discussion on the topic… and possibly thinking it was a good place to park his vote without seeming suspicious… AND Chronos essentially saying that having to lynch someone twice isn’t damaging. > > I’m gonna sleep on it and cast a vote for one of them in the morning. Either way I am going to **Vote Execute**. At least then I know the cost of my actions. Don’t you think that ostersizing today would be the best day to do it and will bring the most information to the game? ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/428 "2009-05-03T19:05:23Z")
So we kicked him out of town? That’s it?? Can he come back? Is he out of the game? ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/429 "2009-05-03T19:17:23Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I just thought about something. > \*\* > With the EXCEPTION of Spurious George, are there any other Townies that are impure? Do All townies start play pure?\*\* > > I don’t think, frankly, that we could have made any other move than the one we made. > > **Why do we have to state “Previously Pure” ? is there some consideration to some faction, on a player that was previously pure? \*\* > \*\* > Which side does Osterization help?** How can someone answer that question, with out giving a tell? 1. Your question doesn’t make sense the way you phrased it. 2. I don’t get this question either. 3. F4. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/430 "2009-05-03T19:42:18Z")
> [@Bear\_Nenno](#): > > So we kicked him out of town? That’s it?? Can he come back? Is he out of the game? Well, we think so…probably. 🙂 We can’t be 100% sure, yet, but that was the idea. We discussed our doubt/wonderings/concerns about ostracizing extensively on Day One, and “coming back” was obviously a concern. Anyway, that’s what was chosen by the majority. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/431 "2009-05-03T20:20:44Z")
If he does come back, isn’t that a good thing? We now officially know that he was pure. What’s the problem with a pure player coming back? ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/432 "2009-05-03T20:21:08Z")
Well… I hope he finds his way back. I’ll leave a light on for him. ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/433 "2009-05-03T20:22:18Z")
Maybe all the villages outside of town are all seedy red light districts. So when we kick him out of town, he goes to the next village and spends all his money on drugs, gambling, and hookers. Then he comes back wreeking of SIN. Oh noes!! ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/434 "2009-05-03T20:22:50Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > If he does come back, isn’t that a good thing? We now officially know that he was pure. What’s the problem with a pure player coming back? Unless by coming back he changes sides. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/435 "2009-05-03T20:23:52Z")
> [@Bear\_Nenno](#): > > Maybe all the villages outside of town are all seedy red light districts. So when we kick him out of town, he goes to the next village and spends all his money on drugs, gambling, and hookers. Then he comes back wreeking of SIN. Oh noes!! the prodigal son, and to purify him we’ll have to lash ourselves while sitting in a pile of ashes ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/436 "2009-05-03T21:41:51Z")
Let me ask this way: \*\* Does praying have any effect on the ostracized? Can the ostracized ever become 100% Town again? Did the game start with any Town player in the middle of praying, or in any other “half” transitional phase from one side to another? (The sides being Town, Sinners, Blackhearts)\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/437 "2009-05-03T21:43:31Z")
**Meeko** , you’re going to wear out the F4 key on **pedescribe** ’s keyboard that way. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/438 "2009-05-03T21:48:42Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > And the win conditions are: > > The town wins when every player alive is Pure. > **The Blackhearts win when they control the vote.** > The Sinners win when every player has the Seed of Sin within them. Bolding and size are mine. \*\* Ostracism gives control of the Ostracized vote to the Blackhearts. \*\* This is the only piece left, that fits the puzzle. So, on a simple math basis, we need to execute next. This way, the Town on and of itself, does all that it can to keep the two sides even. Assuming that a Lynch vote MUST occur, We need to vote Execute next, otherwise the Blackhearts are 200% in the lead. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/439 "2009-05-03T21:55:29Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Bolding and size are mine. > \*\* > > Ostracism gives control of the Ostracized vote to the Blackhearts. \*\* > > This is the only piece left, that fits the puzzle. > > So, on a simple math basis, we need to execute next. This way, the Town on and of itself, does all that it can to keep the two sides even. > > Assuming that a Lynch vote MUST occur, We need to vote Execute next, otherwise the Blackhearts are 200% in the lead. um…I think not Blackhearts will control the vote when they outnumber non-Blackhearts. Games usually end at the point when the NK’ing faction outnumbers everyone else, because the game gets pretty boring. They’ll lynch who they want and NK who they want and no one else will be able to do anything, so, instead of saying Scum win when they are the last left alive, Mods usually say they win when they control the vote. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2009, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/440 "2009-05-03T21:59:28Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Let me ask this way: > \*\* > Does praying have any effect on the ostracized? > > Can the ostracized ever become 100% Town again? > > Did the game start with any Town player in the middle of praying, or in any other “half” transitional phase from one side to another? (The sides being Town, Sinners, Blackhearts)\*\* 1. No 2. Um…what? You mean if a Townie dies Imupre? No 3. No [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=23)