# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 32
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/621 "2009-05-06T03:22:00Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > NETA: > > **So. Do we fast forward the game, rewind the game, or otherwise reset the game given the new rules, > Or do we just simply get to know that we no longer have E/O, and we have to figure out the rest?** Nope, none of that. As I said, the mechanic was pretty much inconsequential, and a theoretical game that was exactly the same except without E/O would be in exactly the same state. So we just proceed. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/622 "2009-05-06T03:24:27Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Meeko… you seem very fond of double spacing. Bad habit I know. I think it is related to what I think of as a new paragraph. I can’t logically connect the next line to what I was saying beforehand\* so I just skip a line. In any event, I think I wrote one college paper too many. \*Yes. I have ADD what was your first clue? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/623 "2009-05-06T03:27:09Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > Nope, none of that. As I said, the mechanic was pretty much inconsequential, and a theoretical game that was exactly the same except without E/O would be in exactly the same state. So we just proceed. I now have Two questions for you, when I am no longer Active in this game. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/624 "2009-05-06T03:27:09Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Bad habit I know. I think it is related to what I think of as a new paragraph. I can’t logically connect the next line to what I was saying beforehand\* so I just skip a line. > In any event, I think I wrote one college paper too many. > > \*Yes. I have ADD what was your first clue? I tend to do something similar… but I do it with “…” The “…” separates my thoughts where as a new paragraph separates topics. and you know what… … … … just for good measure 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/625 "2009-05-06T03:28:35Z")
/hijack Paul, do you find yourself, IRL, when you hand write something, some times writing just the first letter of a word, and immediately skipping to the next word? /hijack ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/626 "2009-05-06T03:30:23Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I now have Two questions for you, when I am no longer Active in this game. Don’t worry… you’re not the only one. I feel like I’m drunk when I try to read this game lol. Getting back to the game itself… Does your not acknowledging my question about having the Seed of Sin mean you don’t have one Meeko? ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/627 "2009-05-06T03:35:33Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > /hijack > > Paul, do you find yourself, IRL, when you hand write something, some times writing just the first letter of a word, and immediately skipping to the next word? > > /hijack No… but sometimes I will be in the middle of writing something, and then get distracted and end up writing something really odd… it really sucks when I am taking notes on something important. I’ll go back to read them and it will say something like “The multiplexer takes multiple inputs and outputs all possible combinations of the possibilities of him being scum or 3rd party.” So yeah… I end up missing a lot of test questions because of crap like that. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/628 "2009-05-06T06:54:42Z")
Oh crap, we broke God. I will say that I am going to miss O vs E. Oh well, it simplifies things a bit. But it does make for some interesting changes… For one thing, does the Town agree with my interpretation that all lynches are Ostracizes? I mean, that is what ped said… > [@The Word of God](#): > > I declare that there will be NO MORE EXECUTION here! I don’t know what I was thinking anyhoo. Really, the idea that it would suddenly be acceptable to kill regularly… Not my best moment. For your aid, I will create a border around your puny town. None but a holy man could breach it. Shrunk to suit mortal ears. So that means that no Seed of Sin from executing, but I assume that also means that every lynchee with a Power will be able to use said Power after the lynching… if my interpretation of the nature of ostracizing is correct. If so, then we have no ways to destroy Power roles… there is always the risk of lynching someone nasty and superPowered. Well, it wont matter too much. It would have been a rare occurance that we were so sure of someone’s guilt that execution was undeniably better. I guess the moral is, don’t piss of the lynchee - they might have a bomb strapped to their chest or something. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/629 "2009-05-06T13:01:38Z")
Wow, I’ve never been in a game where God made a cameo appearance before! So…okay…I’m the one who was infected with the Seed of Sin last night. It’s been a while since I’ve prayed, but hopefully it will work. (The “while since I’ve prayed” is a joke. The rest is not.) ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/630 "2009-05-06T13:44:45Z")
> [@pedescribe](#): > > More specific knowledge: > > There are two anti-town groups, the Sinners and the Blackhearts. The blackhearts are like a regular scum groups, but the sinners want everyone infected with the Seed of Sin, whether the target wants it or not. > If a previously townie player is infected with the Seed of Sin, he has a **choice** to make: either he **can** change his win condition to align with that of the Sinners, or he can Pray, which, in two nights, will remove the seed of sin from him. Note that it doesn’t say that the person who receives the Seed of Sin is recruited to the Sinners… just that they are given the option. So if the person chooses not to, then the only damage is that the sinners are one person closer to their wincon. So… ANGEL… did you convert? ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/631 "2009-05-06T13:48:24Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Wow, I’ve never been in a game where God made a cameo appearance before! > > So…okay…I’m _ **the one** _ who was infected with the Seed of Sin last night. It’s been a while since I’ve prayed, but hopefully it will work. (The “while since I’ve prayed” is a joke. The rest is not.) You may not be the only one… just thought I would point it out… in fact, if the Sinners can infect someone with the Seed of Sin as a Night action, then two people were infected last Night. Unless the second person was the same person the Blackhearts killed. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/632 "2009-05-06T13:53:16Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Note that it doesn’t say that the person who receives the Seed of Sin is recruited to the Sinners… just that they are given the option. So if the person chooses not to, then the only damage is that the sinners are one person closer to their wincon. > > So… ANGEL… did you convert? No, I’m praying. And I have no further information on the sinners, what would happen to me if I chose not to pray, or whether or not anything can interfere with my praying. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/633 "2009-05-06T13:54:33Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > You may not be the only one… just thought I would point it out… in fact, if the Sinners can infect someone with the Seed of Sin as a Night action, then two people were infected last Night. Unless the second person was the same person the Blackhearts killed. Understood that I may not be the only one, but…as far as I know, that’s what happened to me. I was infected last night as a Night action. So how were you thinking I got infected? ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/634 "2009-05-06T14:10:29Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Understood that I may not be the only one, but…as far as I know, that’s what happened to me. I was infected last night as a Night action. So how were you thinking I got infected? I came to the logical deduction, based on information from Pede, that someone was infected as a result of a Night action other than the Sinner’s Night action. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/635 "2009-05-06T14:20:58Z")
Angel, can you copy and paste your PM about getting ensinned into the thread? I’d like to read what it said. Remember, don’t include a time stamp with it, just the text of what you received. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/636 "2009-05-06T14:33:38Z")
**Ped, may we have a current player list for the game?** With so many people having subbed out and in, I’m losing track of who is definitely in the game. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/637 "2009-05-06T14:35:23Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Angel, can you copy and paste your PM about getting ensinned into the thread? I’d like to read what it said. > > Remember, don’t include a time stamp with it, just the text of what you received. Sure, BRB. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/638 "2009-05-06T14:37:03Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Sure, BRB. pedescribe pedescribe is online now Guest Join Date: Mar 2008 During the night… You were infected with the Seed of Sin. You now have a choice to make. Will you embrace it, working towards the Sinners with a new goal? Or will you continue to try to help the town, ridding yourself with the Seed via prayer? Forward Message ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/639 "2009-05-06T14:41:36Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > **Ped, may we have a current player list for the game?** > > With so many people having subbed out and in, I’m losing track of who is definitely in the game. Alive: 1. Allwalker 2. AngeloftheNorth 3. BillMC 4. Captain Pinkies 5. Chronos 6. Freudian Slit 7. [del]GuyIncognitto[/del] Inner Stickler 8. [del]Idle Thoughts[/del] paulwhoisaghost 9. Joey P. 10. [del]Justin Credible[/del] Bear\_Nenno 11. Mahaloth 12. Meeko 13. Nanook 14. [del]Sir Dirx[/del] Rysto 15. Special Ed. 16. Thing Fish Dead: 16. Spurious George, Ordinary Puritan 17. Telcontar, Reverend Wilson (Aegis/Purger) ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/640 "2009-05-06T15:02:29Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > You may not be the only one… just thought I would point it out… in fact, if the Sinners can infect someone with the Seed of Sin as a Night action, then two people were infected last Night. Unless the second person was the same person the Blackhearts killed. Wait, sorry, why were two people infected? Blackhearts killed Tel, Sinners infected Angel, what are you basing a second Sinfection (what a cool term! feel free to use it!) on exactly? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=31) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=33)