# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 36
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/701 "2009-05-06T21:14:49Z")
Hey, **paul** , turn around… Yeah, I thought so, That’s a real dandy bullseye you just put on your back. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/702 "2009-05-06T21:17:01Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I don’t think anyone has anything to gain from not reading the thread. So let’s just let this talk of “scum tells” go, okay? I agree with **Inner Stickler**. But Town has everything to lose by not reading the thread, don’t they? Scum already have a whole heaping helping of information. And, as long as some of them are reading the thread, they can share their information with their Scum buddies. So, are you going to read the thread now, Freudian? ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/703 "2009-05-06T21:19:32Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I don’t think anyone has anything to gain from not reading the thread. So let’s just let this talk of “scum tells” go, okay? I agree with **Inner Stickler**. Wait, what? I’m agreeing with Special Ed. The definition of a scum tell is something that seems anti-town. That can change from game to game and not modifying your playing style when it got you mislynched is ridiculous. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/704 "2009-05-06T21:20:28Z")
**Vote Count, Ped?** ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/705 "2009-05-06T21:22:01Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I. Don’t. Know. That. And I don’t have any reason to trust that you’re not trying to lead us down the primrose path. That’s fine… you can choose to not believe me, but you state things like they are fact. You don’t KNOW if I am telling the truth. So you can’t state it as a fact. Especially when you are wrong. And again I ask you… what primrose path? What would anyone have to gain by providing you with information about the seed of sin? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/706 "2009-05-06T21:24:06Z")
Dig it deeper there Paul. Dig it deeper. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/707 "2009-05-06T21:24:36Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > Hey, **paul** , turn around… > Yeah, I thought so, That’s a real dandy bullseye you just put on your back. I didn’t put it there… these asshats did by pushing me when all I did was provide them with info… I would play it the same way I have been playing it… everytime… What good does me having the info or role do town if I keep it all to myself? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/708 "2009-05-06T21:25:59Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Wait, what? I’m agreeing with Special Ed. The definition of a scum tell is something that seems anti-town. That can change from game to game and not modifying your playing style when it got you mislynched is ridiculous. Well, I mean the whole “scum would do this” or “scum would do that.” There’s no real way of knowing if things change so much from one game to the next. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/709 "2009-05-06T21:26:04Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Dig it deeper there Paul. Dig it deeper. looks like I got my own F4 here. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/710 "2009-05-06T21:26:50Z")
Because we don’t know if you’re spreading information or misinformation. I’m a little surprised at you. You’ve got a magic bag and you’re soft claiming? I seem to recall you not liking it when others do that. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/711 "2009-05-06T21:31:14Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Dig it deeper there Paul. Dig it deeper. How am I digging myself into a hole? By asking what I would have to gain by giving you the info if I were a sinner or a blackheart? I’d like to know… it seems a logical and keypoint in your accusation… and if you can’t answer it, then your case against me is severely flawed from any perspective… not just mine. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/712 "2009-05-06T21:35:30Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Well, I mean the whole “scum would do this” or “scum would do that.” There’s no real way of knowing if things change so much from one game to the next. **Freudian** , you were the one who brought up the “scum wouldn’t do this” aspect that \*\*Stickler \*\*was talking about. I was just pointing out that your behavior does not add to the Town’s ability to win. Therefore, it is a bit of a Scum-tell, since it’s something Scum are more likely to do. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/713 "2009-05-06T21:35:50Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Because we don’t know if you’re spreading information or misinformation. I’m a little surprised at you. You’ve got a magic bag and you’re soft claiming? I seem to recall you not liking it when others do that. I didn’t create this magic bag… you all did. I gave you info and told you it was from Pede. That in no way was a magic bag or a soft claim. Then you press and press and make it painfully obvious that I know more that I’m not sharing. When I explain that it is better that the info not be outed you guys vote me? Fine… you want to know how I know there are at least two sinfected? Because I caused one of them to become sinfected. It is a side effect of using my power. If I use my power, a random person will become sinfected. Is that enough for you? Or will you not be happy until I am either lynched or entirely outed? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/714 "2009-05-06T21:39:09Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > How am I digging myself into a hole? > [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > Fine… you want to know how I know there are at least two sinfected? Because I caused one of them to become sinfected. It is a side effect of using my power. If I use my power, a random person will become sinfected. Is that enough for you? Or will you not be happy until I am either lynched or entirely outed? My work here is done. I don’t need to explain a situation that you, yourself, just explained better. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/715 "2009-05-06T21:43:49Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Frankly, I was already suspicious when you didn’t get night-killed, after publicly stating that you were PMing **pede** , and this secret-information game doesn’t make me trust you any more. And so, I will > **Vote paulwhoisaghost** Why would you be suspicious that he wasn’t NK’d? I’m not following your case here. It seems that you are voting for \*\*paul \*\*because he soft claimed and shared some information. Where is the Scum motivation?I suppose it’s possible that he’s trying to trick us into worrying more about Sinners. Or he’s trying to divert conversation. The Soft claim? He’d probably already revealed he had a role last Night, soft claiming wasn’t a stretch, especially if he wanted to share what he knew. Is there Town motivation? To share information, I suppose. Also, perhaps, to allow Scum to worry about his power. If he can detect Sin, he’s pretty safe from NKs. Blackhearts will want him a live. Sinners will want him dead. So, to turn the tables, I see strong Sinner motivation to lynch Paul (since the Sinners can’t NK him and would know the Blackhearts won’t) What is your Town motivation for voting **paul**? And on top of that, the fact that he’s alive makes you suspicious of him? If I were Scum, I’d leave \*\*paul \*\*alive. He always manages to get himself lynched, why waste a NK on him? ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/716 "2009-05-06T21:45:39Z")
You know what… fuck it.. there really is no point in trying to keep anything hidden any longer.. You guys fucked up my whole game plan so all I can do now is hope to God we have some sort of protection role cuz otherwise my ass is definitely dead Tonight. So here you go you fuckin vampires… [QUOTE=pedescribe] [QUOTE=paulwhoisaghost] I’ll sub in… I await your PM. [/QUOTE] Cool, thanks. You got one of the more interesting roles, incedentally: > [@](#): > > You are the Traveling Preacher. You are a part of the First Great Awakening, with a very heady style and much experience with sin. Because of that, you know how to manipulate it. You also have a large, ornamental sword. If things get dire, you might have to use it. Hopefully that doesn’t happen. > > Powers: > 1-3. Each night, you can do one of the following: > –You can purge someone of the seed of sin. Doing this will cause the target to have a post restriction the next day. > –You can switch the places of two players. Anyone targeting one of them would get the other, and vice versa. If one of them had the seed of sin and the other didn’t, that would switch too. > –You can watch someone, and will find out if they are doing stuff. Doing this will infect someone at random. > > 1. You can also kill any player. You can do this only when half or more players have the seed of sin. Also, you can only do this during the Day, where it is visible to all the other players. Doing this will infect you with the seed of sin. > > You are Town. [/QUOTE] Last Night I chose to follow Special Ed. [QUOTE=pedescribe] [QUOTE=paulwhoisaghost] I’m gonna watch Special Ed tonight… the shifty bastard… [/QUOTE] You watched Ed all night, but he did nothing. [/QUOTE] I breadcrumbed this when I posted that Ed was really boring this game. And there you have it.. now you know everything I know. So there ARE at least 2 sinfected. I wanted to know who so that I would at least have the option of removing the seed from them… although the cost of a post restriction is a bit high… and since I just role claimed I will say that I was going to try to take advantage of something that I think Pede overlooked. He didn’t put any restrictions on the killing aspect of my role. So once half of the players remaining are infected I was going to kill everyone but myself and have town win. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/717 "2009-05-06T21:45:51Z")
> [@paulwhoisaghost](#): > > I didn’t create this magic bag… you all did. I gave you info and told you it was from Pede. That in no way was a magic bag or a soft claim. Then you press and press and make it painfully obvious that I know more that I’m not sharing. When I explain that it is better that the info not be outed you guys vote me? > > Fine… you want to know how I know there are at least two sinfected? Because I caused one of them to become sinfected. It is a side effect of using my power. If I use my power, a random person will become sinfected. Is that enough for you? Or will you not be happy until I am either lynched or entirely outed? This is why preview would be helpful. ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/718 "2009-05-06T21:47:45Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > If I were Scum, I’d leave \*\*paul \*\*alive. He always manages to get himself lynched, why waste a NK on him? This becomes more and more true each game that I play in 😛 ---
**Author:** ![paulwhoisaghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e5b9ba/32.png) [@paulwhoisaghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paulwhoisaghost)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/719 "2009-05-06T21:49:50Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > This is why preview would be helpful. I was just thinking that after claiming and then seeing your post… I didn’t think anyone was gonna help me counter the accusations 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2009, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/720 "2009-05-06T21:53:04Z")
Withdraw all open Meeko Offers No wait… Wrong game. 😛 **Unvote Paul** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=35) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=37)