# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/861 "2009-05-07T19:46:30Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Meeko, please do me a favor and just take a deep breath. This is not Haggle. Unless you are a Third Party/PFK, you win as a team with your side. Thinking outside the box is good, but thinking so far outside the box that no one has any clue what you’re on about is not. It actively hurts your side, whichever it may be, and makes it difficult for people to play. Peeker is similar, but his style has adjusted some to the point where he is still Peeker, but you can follow him with a little effort. You aren’t at that point yet. I would love for you to get to that point though, because people who think and act differently are a great boon to Mafia in general. 1. This remains my first game. I can only use what I have done in the past. Experience will come. 2.To say that this game is going a number on how I think, is an understatement. I thank you for the compliment that I think a majority of this quote is. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/862 "2009-05-07T19:47:53Z")
1. NETA: 2. “To say that this game is **DOING** a number on how I think, is an understatement” ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/863 "2009-05-07T20:09:51Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > This is important and I don’t know how to quote the post that pedescribe is responding to in this post, so I’m copying and pasting it. It’s post 577 if you want to look it up to make sure I’m telling the truth. > > It’s a post from Chronos and I’ve snipped the first half because it’s not relevant to what I’m pointing out: > \<\ \<\ > \<\ > This is the post I was looking for yesterday. Everyone seems to be operating under the assumption that the Sinners are in a thread the way scum would be in an ordinary game. If they don’t know how many players there are with the Sinner win condition at any point in time, and also don’t know who those players are, I don’t see how there can be a Sinner thread. > > Of course, I’m also not sure how they can sinfect people at night if they don’t vote together. Perhaps they each vote by PM to pedescribe? Or the victim is chosen randomly? Or there’s a head Sinner who makes the choice him/herself? I interpret this to mean that they don’t know if the Sinfected people are praying or have been pruified. I don’t think Sinfected people join the Sinner’s thread. They only share their win condition. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/864 "2009-05-07T20:11:18Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I phrased that that way with a distinction between “members of the Sinner faction” and “players with the Sinner win condition”. My best guess of the meaning of **pede** ’s answer is that those people who started the game as Sinners do get to communicate in some way, but that the people they recruit are not allowed into that “inner circle”. > Oh, and a post I didn’t see before my previous post: > Quoth **Meeko** : > > To sum up: **special ed** claims to have privileged information that **Meeko** is Town, while **paulwhoisaghost** claims to have privileged information that **special ed** took no actions last Night. This is exactly the sort of situation I enjoy analyzing in these games. The upshot is, it is not possible that ( **Meeko** is Scum and **special ed** is Town), and it is unlikely that all three of **Meeko** , **special ed** , and **paulwhoisaghost** are Town (unless **special ed** ’s knowledge comes from a source other than a Night action, such as a Day action or a PM at the beginning of the game). Yes, I forgot about paul’s tracking. I have knowledge of meeko’s alignment from other than a Night action ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/865 "2009-05-07T20:15:06Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I interpret this to mean that they don’t know if the Sinfected people are praying or have been pruified. I don’t think Sinfected people join the Sinner’s thread. They only share their win condition. The Sinners have a thread of their own? Was this part of the original game rules, and if not, how do you know it? Or am I totally misunderstanding what you mean by Sinner’s thread? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/866 "2009-05-07T20:15:34Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Again, if you go back and re-read page six, Please don’t use page numbers. Please use post numbers. I have a different system for displaying the posts than is the default. > [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > I’m also fine with lynching **Nanook** ; he is lurking and I thought he might have been guiding the Spurious bandwagon yesterday. I’d rather not lynch a non-participator. Let the Mod handle him. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/867 "2009-05-07T20:16:36Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > **vote Meeko** pending some coherent explanation of his thought processes there. God bless you, you’re asking for a lot ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/868 "2009-05-07T20:19:13Z")
> [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](#): > > Here’s the deal. The Idle game is slow enough that I can follow it and post to it from work. This thread? Way too busy to keep up with during working hours. However, that said I’ll be back with some thoughts in a bit. But in the mean time, I want to hear from Ed and Paul as to the apparent contradiction in their claims. > > If you did nothing last night, as Paul claims, then how do you know Meeko is Town? If you’re a Mason, you might as well just claim now. If you aren’t, and you did in fact take an action last Night, then you need to say so since it would indicate that Paul is a liar. You are correct. I’m not certain if I am a typical Mason, but I am a busybody. So is Meeko. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/869 "2009-05-07T20:23:34Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > The Sinners have a thread of their own? Was this part of the original game rules, and if not, how do you know it? > > Or am I totally misunderstanding what you mean by Sinner’s thread? It’s an assumption. I’m assuming that the Sinners have a method for communcating with each other to strategize and plan who to Sinfect. Of they didn’t they’d be at a serious disadvantage. If they blindly voted for who to Sinfect, how would they know who was already sinfected and who wasn’t? It seems reasonable to assume that they can talk outside of this thread. If they cannot, then it’s only better for us, but I’d like to operate under the assumption that they are organized and informed. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/870 "2009-05-07T20:24:37Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > You are correct. > > I’m not certain if I am a typical Mason, but I am a busybody. So is Meeko. NETA: **And we are both Pro-Town** ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/871 "2009-05-07T20:26:51Z")
I can’t wait for everyone to read the ‘busybodies’ thread. I’m having just as much trouble as everyone else. Meeko strikes me as brilliant and it’s true he’s thinking outside of the box, but I think I said earlier he’s so far outside of the box that I don’t think he’s sure where the box is. That said, he does seem very smart, and I’m sure after a game under his belt, when he can look back and see the Sucm thread, the Night Actions, etc. It’ll all become clearer to him and he’ll be a mighty fine mafia player ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/872 "2009-05-07T20:28:13Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > NETA: > > **And we are both Pro-Town** Well, we’re both aligned with Town 😉 😉 😉 And hey, if you wanna lynch one of us to prove it…lynch him :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/873 "2009-05-07T20:29:12Z")
Ed, what’s a busybody and how does being a busybody tell you that paul is Town? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/874 "2009-05-07T20:29:15Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I can’t wait for everyone to read the ‘busybodies’ thread. That’s fine Ed. \*\*Do you mind going over there and reading it now? \*\* I’ve been on pins and needles over there. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/875 "2009-05-07T20:39:18Z")
So theres more than you two? And they’re town-aligned with their own thread? My head hurts. It sounds like busybodies are this game’s version of masons. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/876 "2009-05-07T20:40:55Z")
**Pedescribe, do the people who started the game as Sinners know who each other are and how many of them there are?** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/877 "2009-05-07T20:45:21Z")
And, Take this for what you want: If I get to see other sub-boards after this game, I would love to do that. … When I can I’m going to look at the forbidden thread… When I can. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/878 "2009-05-07T20:45:44Z")
Angel, I could have sworn that was asked before. I think you will get an F4 answer. Ed, I agree that we should assume that the Sinners can communicate on a separate thread. Seems to be a reasonable assumption. I wonder how many began the game. Two? Three? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/879 "2009-05-07T20:47:10Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > And, Take this for what you want: > > If I get to see other sub-boards after this game, I would love to do that. … When I can > > I’m going to look at the forbidden thread… When I can. Good point, actually. I never got to see the Werewolf scum communications. I assume they had some kind of message board elsewhere or some kind of bulletin board page. I’m going to PM Ped about that now, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/880 "2009-05-07T20:47:11Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > So theres more than you two? And they’re town-aligned with their own thread? My head hurts. It sounds like busybodies are this game’s version of masons. \*\* Now, Imagine how I felt, when I figured out what the hell a mason was, and then that clicked in with me being a busybody.\*\* Not the best game for a noob to come in on, but I do think I am more than treading water here. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=45)