# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 45
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/881 "2009-05-07T20:50:38Z")
But Seriously, If we are doing a LOT of things for Color, as in, window dressing, Shouldn’t we re-evaluate what **Paul** has claimed? IANAMM (I am not a Mafia Mod) BUT: **Shouldn’t there be a strictly better Priest still out there, than what Paul claims he his?** ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/882 "2009-05-07T20:54:47Z")
Stop. Leave any priests that are out there alone. Assume that we have none and plan accordingly. If there is one, great. If not, well, we’ll figure something out. The last thing we want to do is direct the scum’s attention toward any town power roles. They tend to figure those things out quickly enough without our help. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/883 "2009-05-07T20:55:40Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > But Seriously, > > If we are doing a LOT of things for Color, as in, window dressing, Shouldn’t we re-evaluate what **Paul** has claimed? > > IANAMM (I am not a Mafia Mod) BUT: **Shouldn’t there be a strictly better Priest still out there, than what Paul claims he his?** I’m not entirely sure where you’re coming from here. Are you expecting a Reverend Dimmesdale role in the game? It sounds likely, but personally I would not be surprised if Reverend Dimmesdale is in the game, but is a Sinner Godfather(immune to investigations). I’ve never read The Scarlet Letter, but based on what I’ve read of it Reverend Dimmesdale is likely to be aligned with Hester Prynne, and the opening colour makes is quite clear that she’s a Sinner. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/884 "2009-05-07T20:55:45Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Angel, I could have sworn that was asked before. > > I think you will get an F4 answer. > > Ed, I agree that we should assume that the Sinners can communicate on a separate thread. Seems to be a reasonable assumption. I wonder how many began the game. Two? Three? It was asked before in general, but not specifically about the beginning of the game. While you’re all assuming the Sinners can communicate (apart from the newly sinfected), I’m not so sure. The Sinners (especially as originally conceived, with the execute option) seem to have too many opportunities to sinfect. There would have to be something to balance that. Paul’s ability to purify people doesn’t seem to be enough. I can see the Sinners not knowing who each other are and having to discover each other through the course of the game. That would fit with the theme of the novel as well, and it seems more balanced to me. If I get an F4 answer, so be it, but I have to ask. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/885 "2009-05-07T20:57:16Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > They tend to figure those things out quickly enough without our help. I doubt this. **They would need our help, in some measure, at some point.** HENCE why I suggested way back when, that we scorch earth paul, and clam up. I am still not sold on why that was a bad move. Not a great move, but, given how it shook out, Id call it neutral ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/886 "2009-05-07T21:04:27Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Ed, what’s a busybody and how does being a busybody tell you that paul is Town? I am some sort of a mason. We’re just called busybodies. I didn’t want anyone confused when one of us ended up dead. I have no information about paul’s alignment than anyone else has. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/887 "2009-05-07T21:08:53Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > That’s fine Ed. \*\*Do you mind going over there and reading it now? > \*\* > I’ve been on pins and needles over there. crap, OK. I’m home now. And I’ve read it. I’ll respond more there after I’m done here. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/888 "2009-05-07T21:09:13Z")
Paulwhoisaghost (3): Rysto, Freudian Slit, Mahaloth Nanook (2): AllWalker, Meeko Chronos (1): Special Ed Meeko (1): Thing Fish Thing Fish (1): AngeloftheNorth > [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > **Pedescribe, do the people who started the game as Sinners know who each other are and how many of them there are?** Sort of. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/889 "2009-05-07T21:12:33Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I doubt this. > > **They would need our help, in some measure, at some point.** So why are you trying to give it to them by fishing for other power roles? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/890 "2009-05-07T21:13:12Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I doubt this. > > **They would need our help, in some measure, at some point.** > HENCE > > why I suggested way back when, that we scorch earth paul, and clam up. > > I am still not sold on why that was a bad move. > > Not a great move, but, given how it shook out, Id call it neutral bad because we need to LEARN something. We need data. We need information. If we just said, OK lynch **paul**. then how are we better off toMorrow morning? All we have is a dead **paul** , a Night Kill, and limited conversation. Where are we going to learn anything? We’ve got to talk, communicate, see how people act and react, and then learn something from it. It also makes even less sense to lynch someone the Scum will want dead. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/891 "2009-05-07T21:16:54Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > bad because we need to LEARN something. We need data. We need information. If you ask me Ed, the only information generated since I stated my plan, was the outing of 2 mason members. Not sure how this helps Town. I know it helps Scum. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/892 "2009-05-07T21:20:32Z")
It tells all the vanilla townies to be wary of lynching you guys and anyone else you confirm as busybodies. And if one of you gets NKed and the role is confirmed, we reduce our pool of possible lynches. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/893 "2009-05-07T21:24:09Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > It tells all the vanilla townies to be wary of lynching you guys and anyone else you confirm as busybodies. And if one of you gets NKed and the role is confirmed, we reduce our pool of possible lynches. Again, Mafia changing the way I think, is an understatement. ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/894 "2009-05-07T21:25:26Z")
Why are you two fighting here if you have your own private thread? ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/895 "2009-05-07T21:25:28Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > If you ask me Ed, the only information generated since I stated my plan, was the outing of 2 mason members. > > Not sure how this helps Town. > > I know it helps Scum. If the Scum want to lynch us, great. It will do 2 things: [ol] [li]Reduce any hiding places in unconfirmed Town they might have (less beneficial with a dead investigator)[/li][li]They won’t be killing any roles we have with actual active pwoers[/li][/ol] ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/896 "2009-05-07T21:26:51Z")
**Chronos:** Ed and I both claim to being masons, that can vouch for the other being town. Where does this leave you with **Paul**? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/897 "2009-05-07T21:31:33Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Why are you two fighting here if you have your own private thread? I honestly do not understand how Ed thinks. Vice Versa. I figured, if we could fight over here, we would not slip and tell on us. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/898 "2009-05-07T21:32:36Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Why are you two fighting here if you have your own private thread? Because he’s asking me here. Also, there might be other newbies who don’t understand or other experienced players who can answer better than I can. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/899 "2009-05-07T21:52:19Z")
The drawback to posting too much is that one provides more than enough information to expediently play the game. The drawback to not posting too much, is that everyone else suspects that, frankly, that person is not providing enough information to provide tells. So. Given the right level of posts, you work on what other people have said, and disect it for your own purposes, trying to make right choices for your alignment. How am I doing so far? Yet, a majority of the players, are not given a list of who is Town. Conversely, those who are scum can reasonably deduce the names of those they have to eliminate. So, Effectively, The good guys here have a catch 22. The Scum, if they so wish, can simply not say anything at all, and win. How am I so far? WIFOM, but it seems as if the entire game has 2 catch 22’s too many. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2009, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/900 "2009-05-07T21:56:23Z")
NETA, we don’t have a dead investigator in this game, I got a little confused with being in multiple games. > [@special\_ed](#): > > If the Scum want to lynch us, great. It will do 2 things: > [ol] > [li]Reduce any hiding places in unconfirmed Town they might have (less beneficial with a dead investigator)[/li][li]They won’t be killing any roles we have with actual active pwoers[/li][/ol] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=44) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=46)