# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/921 "2009-05-08T02:56:05Z")
**When will we know about Captain? Will it pre-empt a vote?** ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/922 "2009-05-08T03:18:36Z")
Well Nanook has made an appearance, so I am satisfied. \*\*Unvote Nanook replace Captain\*\* The thing about **ed** and **meeko** both claiming to be some sort of Mason equivalent and both backing each other up would be a very risky, and stupid, scum play. So I’m inclined to believe them. Just one question, though: do you guys share the Town’s wincon, or do you have your own? I know you already said you are aligned with town, but I want it explicitely stated. I would also like to hear more from **BillMC** - I count 4 posts with any content at all, one of which was a mod question. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/923 "2009-05-08T03:28:09Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > Just one question, though: do you guys share the Town’s wincon, or do you have your own? I know you already said you are aligned with town, but I want it explicitely stated. I’m not posting my PM completely, as it gives away the total number of masons. > [@PM](#): > > pedescribe pedescribe is online now > Guest > > Join Date: Mar 2008 > Role PM > You are a Busybody. You have spent a long time learning the towns gossip, and love to talk. Unfortunately, you were unable to learn who the evil ones were. But you do know [the other Mason(s) is/are] Town. > Powers: > > 1. You know that [the other Mason(s) name(s) is/are] town. > 2. You can communicate with [him/them] here: [deleted] > > Log in with the account: > username: [deleted] > password: [deleted] > > which has already been registered. > > You are Town. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/924 "2009-05-08T03:41:02Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > I’m not posting my PM completely, as it gives away the total number of masons. My PM is the same as Ed’s. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/925 "2009-05-08T03:42:21Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > I would also like to hear more from **BillMC** - I count 4 posts with any content at all, one of which was a mod question. I was looking at the same for Bear and Rysto . But both of them were subbed in. Right? ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/926 "2009-05-08T03:53:13Z")
Just to repost from #639 > [@pedescribe](#): > > Alive: > > 1. Allwalker > 2. AngeloftheNorth > 3. BillMC > 4. Captain Pinkies > 5. Chronos > 6. Freudian Slit > 7. [del]GuyIncognitto[/del] Inner Stickler > 8. [del]Idle Thoughts[/del] paulwhoisaghost > 9. Joey P. > 10. [del]Justin Credible[/del] Bear\_Nenno > 11. Mahaloth > 12. Meeko > 13. Nanook > 14. [del]Sir Dirx[/del] Rysto > 15. Special Ed. > 16. Thing Fish > > Dead: > 16. Spurious George, Ordinary Puritan > 17. Telcontar, Reverend Wilson (Aegis/Purger) There are quite a few names here which should start poking around a little more. And thank you, ed and Meeko. I assume there are others besides you too - if they could keep quiet, there’s no point letting Scum know more of you than is necessary. Unless of course you know they’re lying. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/927 "2009-05-08T04:19:41Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I don’t think anyone has anything to gain from not reading the thread. So let’s just let this talk of “scum tells” go, okay? I agree with **Inner Stickler**. :dubious: Freudian, why would a Townie care about scum tells, one way or another? Or, do you just want to get rid of something that might haunt you later? **Kinda like this post?😃** ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/928 "2009-05-08T10:56:31Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I was looking at the same for Bear and Rysto . > > But both of them were subbed in. Right? Yea, I subbed in. Now, think how difficult it is to join a game in progress. Now… imagine joining THIS game in progress. Not to mention that the game itself seems like a work in progress what with all the mod confusion, rule changes, and overall bewilderment of the players. I am here. I am reading. I am tracking… somewhat. I am not going to have a decent opinion of what’s going on for at least a lil while. Once things get back to normal here and things settle, I will be all over it. Until then… it’s nice just to not have everyone trying to lynch me. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/929 "2009-05-08T12:34:32Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I was looking at the same for Bear and Rysto . > > But both of them were subbed in. Right? Both subbed. Rysto actually has 40 posts if I am looking correctly, but I am not yet sure of the content of them. I will review Rysto’s posts to see if he has been mainly posting fluff or if he has been contributing. We were told that Rysto might not be talkative when he subbed in, so we might want to give him a bit of leniency…but not too much. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/930 "2009-05-08T12:54:57Z")
Rysto, correct me if you believe I’m wrong 1. He’s posted fairly regularly and made genuine comments in most of his posts…not tons of fluff and nearly zero “outside the game” comments. 2. Day One: He joined the very aggressive conversation about what ostracization and lynching and executing and all that stuff was. Hey, who didn’t? He chose ostraciation of Paul. 3. Day Two: He discussed paul’s claim and the validity of it. He discussed power roles, both those we know about(Telcontar’s, for example) and those we are speculating on. He has voted paul, currently. He hasn’t posted a ton, but his posts have been quite substantial. I have no idea if he is scum and he hasn’t really “pinged” my radar, so to speak. However, there is no evidence he is lurking and a vote for him would have to come out of another line of thought. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/931 "2009-05-08T14:56:10Z")
Boy, this thread is difficult to dissect. I am trying to look through the dialogue, looking for tells, and am not even close to finished. Here’s what I am thinking so far: **Freudian** has played an interesting round so far. Not necessarily scummy, just interesting a few things jump out: \*low post count. Not lurker low, in fact not much lower than mine. \*a lot of these posts were defending herself in defining whether scimming a thread is a scum tell. This is addressing accusations, no problem. \*Day 1, dedicated to targeting Chronos. For being weird. \*Day 2, dedicated to targeting paul. For having a double-edged power. The Day 1 targeting was strange to me. Posts like #215 and #218 seemed to come out of nowhere, backed up by the weak justification of Chronos “wasting a vote” by voting “blindly”. This seemed like strained justifications for voting. But, this is nowhere near scummy enough to earn a vote. I just hope I or someone else can build a better case over the next few days. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/932 "2009-05-08T14:59:57Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > **When will we know about Captain? Will it pre-empt a vote?** No. You can vote regularly and vote to replace at the same time. And as soon as I can find a sub, I’ll sub him out. If I can’t find a sub soon, I’ll modkill him. Vote Count! Paulwhoisaghost (3): Rysto, Freudian Slit, Mahaloth Nanook (2): AllWalker, Meeko Chronos (1): Special Ed AngeloftheNorth (1): Thing Fish Thing Fish (1): AngeloftheNorth Replacement Count: Replace Captain Pinkies (4): Special Ed, Mahaloth, Meeko, AllWalker AllWalker: If you still wanted to unvote Nanook separate from your replacement notification, tell me. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/933 "2009-05-08T15:41:39Z")
**Pede :** \*\*Allwalker and I both unvoted Nanook \*\* > [@Meeko](#): > > If we are replacing Captain, AND given what Nanook has said… > > UGH > > **Unvote Nanook** > \*\* > > Replace Captain\*\* > [@AllWalker](#): > > Well Nanook has made an appearance, so I am satisfied. > > \*\*Unvote Nanook > > replace Captain\*\* > > The thing about **ed** and **meeko** both claiming to be some sort of Mason equivalent and both backing each other up would be a very risky, and stupid, scum play. So I’m inclined to believe them. > > Just one question, though: do you guys share the Town’s wincon, or do you have your own? I know you already said you are aligned with town, but I want it explicitely stated. > > I would also like to hear more from **BillMC** - I count 4 posts with any content at all, one of which was a mod question. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/934 "2009-05-08T15:42:44Z")
NETA : Just now saw your PS there. * * * We have till Sunday, correct? **Unvote Nanook** ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/935 "2009-05-08T15:46:11Z")
> [@Bear\_Nenno](#): > > Yea, I subbed in. Yeah, I just meant, that I can understand that you have to make up. I’m not going to think you are scummy because of lurking. That is ALL I meant with that. I didn’t mean anything against it, but there is a limit to that… allowance, which I think is only fair. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/936 "2009-05-08T15:47:47Z")
Well, I did a quick review of Rysto and now Allwalker has done a brief review of Freudian Slit. At some point(Day Three???), we should assign each of us two people to look at, with the possible inclusion that we explain our own Day actions at the same time. In the last game I played, I believe we did not assign anlalizations until Day Five or so, in order to have to deal with less alive players. The nice thing about doing this is that instead of “off the cuff” reactions to what someone says, we actually can sit down and really take a look at what people have said and done…in a relatively organized way. I have no idea how to “randomly” assign everyone two others to check out. I’m sure there will be whiners and so forth about it, but it can work. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/937 "2009-05-08T15:49:19Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > We have till Sunday, correct? > > **Unvote Nanook** Noon, Sunday, not one minute past according to the Dope clock. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/938 "2009-05-08T15:51:26Z")
We hate Paul’s powers, because it Sinfects. We could Claim that the POWERS are anti town. Yet, they DO offer protection from Blackhearts. So, I still think it is fair to debate Paul’s side, but I don’t think that his side could be Blackheart. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/939 "2009-05-08T15:53:32Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I have no idea how to “randomly” assign everyone two others to check out. I’m sure there will be whiners and so forth about it, but it can work. \*\* I nominate that Paul gets to investigate Me. \*\*😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/940 "2009-05-08T16:04:13Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\* > I nominate that Paul gets to investigate Me. \*\*😃 Yes, I was already thinking about the poor saps that get assigned “Meeko” Kidding! 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=46) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=48)