# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/941 "2009-05-08T16:10:59Z")
Paul alive helps both town and sinners. Not. Blackheart Keep him alive??? From my iPod. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/942 "2009-05-08T16:20:49Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I have no idea how to “randomly” assign everyone two others to check out. I’m sure there will be whiners and so forth about it, but it can work. Easy enough to do. We choose an unpredictable numeric event and an ordering of the players. For the unpredictable event I suggest the total number of points scored in all NBA playoff games tonight(May 8th). For the ordering, use the player list that ped gave us. Feed the total number of points into a pseudo-random number generator and use that to assign every player two others to look at. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/943 "2009-05-08T16:25:00Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > So, I still think it is fair to debate Paul’s side, but I don’t think that his side could be Blackheart. Assuming that Paul has been truthful about his powers. This is not a good assumption to make. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/944 "2009-05-08T16:42:25Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > We hate Paul’s powers, because it Sinfects. We could Claim that the POWERS are anti town. > > Yet, they DO offer protection from Blackhearts. > > So, I still think it is fair to debate Paul’s side, but I don’t think that his side could be Blackheart. Why not? From what I’m reading, Paul has 4 powers, 3 of which could really be used for any side. The last remaining one (the first one that he listed) says that he can remove the seed of sin from someone. That’s anti-sinner, and pro-town but also very much pro-blackheart. The sinners win when everyone has the seed of sin within them, so that power is equally useful to both blackhearts and town. I’m not saying Paul is a blackheart, I just don’t think the idea should be dismissed just yet. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/945 "2009-05-08T19:32:01Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Easy enough to do. We choose an unpredictable numeric event and an ordering of the players. For the unpredictable event I suggest the total number of points scored in all NBA playoff games tonight(May 8th). For the ordering, use the player list that ped gave us. Feed the total number of points into a pseudo-random number generator and use that to assign every player two others to look at. or the Stock Market. Fair enough. Doesn’t actually mean that we would all do the job assigned though. Not Implying I won’t, because I Will do the job, nut saying this isnt the issue here. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/946 "2009-05-08T19:33:28Z")
NETA: The issue here is that we can’t force people to do something. Would be a much different game if we could. Randomization is fair. Just doesn’t mean the jobs will get done. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/947 "2009-05-08T19:35:41Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Why not? From what I’m reading, Paul has 4 powers, 3 of which could really be used for any side. The last remaining one (the first one that he listed) says that he can remove the seed of sin from someone. That’s anti-sinner, and pro-town but also very much pro-blackheart. The sinners win when everyone has the seed of sin within them, so that power is equally useful to both blackhearts and town. > I’m not saying Paul is a blackheart, I just don’t think the idea should be dismissed just yet. Perhaps Paul was given a power, such that he would be good on ANY side, at any point point in the game, having converted over, prayed back, or what ever else. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/948 "2009-05-08T19:46:47Z")
Vote Count! Paulwhoisaghost (3): Rysto, Freudian Slit, Mahaloth Chronos (1): Special Ed AngeloftheNorth (1): Thing Fish Thing Fish (1): AngeloftheNorth Replacement Count: Replace Captain Pinkies (4): Special Ed, Mahaloth, Meeko, AllWalker ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/949 "2009-05-08T19:58:08Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Doesn’t actually mean that we would all do the job assigned though. Not Implying I won’t, because I Will do the job, nut saying this isnt the issue here. Well, it’s true that we can’t guarantee people would do it, but it would be a pretty pro-town thing to do. Anyway, we can wait. It doesn’t have to be on Day Three, even. ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/950 "2009-05-08T20:22:46Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Yeah, I just meant, that I can understand that you have to make up. I’m not going to think you are scummy because of lurking. > > That is ALL I meant with that. I didn’t mean anything against it, but there is a limit to that… allowance, which I think is only fair. Yea, I get it. Don’t worry. Hopefully by the start of the next day I will be right there ready to engage players. If I’m lucky there will be nice post by post analyses of what the other players have done so far. Cause really… this game has been all fucked up. Is it possible to have a new thread for the next Day? ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/951 "2009-05-08T20:49:29Z")
I’m just checking in because I’ve been unable to access this board all day. Wondering if anyone else had the same problem? ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/952 "2009-05-08T20:58:58Z")
Yes, I was having trouble earlier. Have we actually agreed that **paul** will attempt to remove the Seed of Sin from **Angel** tonight in order to test his claim? I know that **Chronos** unovted him based on the assumption that he would do so, but, although I could be missing something, I don’t remember that **paul** actually committed to doing that. I think if he isn’t willing to do so, we should lynch him Today. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/953 "2009-05-08T21:01:48Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > I’m just checking in because I’ve been unable to access this board all day. Wondering if anyone else had the same problem? I was actually away from my PC for most of the day. Go figure. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/954 "2009-05-08T21:04:25Z")
> [@Bear\_Nenno](#): > > Is it possible to have a new thread for the next Day? **I second this motion.** ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/955 "2009-05-08T21:05:57Z")
> [@Bear\_Nenno](#): > > Yea, I get it. Don’t worry. Hopefully by the start of the next day I will be right there ready to engage players. If I’m lucky there will be nice post by post analyses of what the other players have done so far. Cause really… this game has been all fucked up. > > Is it possible to have a new thread for the next Day? Unfortunately, no. You have to ask for special permission here–it’s happened once. The problem with that is that the older threads get buried quickly under all of the other stuff, making it even harder to find past days. It really doesn’t work. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/956 "2009-05-08T21:08:16Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Yes, I was having trouble earlier. > > Have we actually agreed that **paul** will attempt to remove the Seed of Sin from **Angel** tonight in order to test his claim? I know that **Chronos** unovted him based on the assumption that he would do so, but, although I could be missing something, I don’t remember that **paul** actually committed to doing that. I think if he isn’t willing to do so, we should lynch him Today. This assumes that he isn’t NK’d before he can purge Angel. If he were to do it, AND Pede could publicly verify that Angel is no longer sinfected, I would agree to this set up. BUT. I think Blackhearts want Paul, one way or another. \*\* Can you night choice the night you are NK’d?\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/957 "2009-05-08T21:48:44Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > This assumes that he isn’t NK’d before he can purge Angel. > > If he were to do it, AND Pede could publicly verify that Angel is no longer sinfected, I would agree to this set up. > > BUT. > > I think Blackhearts want Paul, one way or another. > \*\* > Can you night choice the night you are NK’d?\*\* Yes. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/958 "2009-05-08T22:24:11Z")
Well, I don’t think it is likely that \*\*Ped \*\*will publicly confirm whether **Angel** is telling the truth or not. But, presumably if **Angel reports that she has NOT been dis-sinfected, we will then lynch Paul** , and if \*\*Paul \*\*comes up Town we will likely lynch **Angel.** Therefore, I don’t think a scum **Angel would be likely to lie about that, since it would lead to her own death. If Angel** says she is still infected, she is either Town and telling the truth, or (less likely) she is Scum taking the rather risky gambit that **Paul** is a member of the other Scum faction. If Angel says she\* has \*been cured, on the other hand, this could mean anything; maybe she is telling the truth, maybe she and \*\*paul \*\*are scum working together, maybe **Angel** is scum who was lying about having been ensinned in the first place and is now covering her tracks (in which case **paul** could be either Town or a member of the other Scum faction). So I wouldn’t conclude anything about either of their alignments in that case. But if **Angel** says she has not been cured, it seems like we probably have found scum, so I think it is definitely worth a try. Of course, that would imply I would need to find someone else to vote for Today, and I have no idea at all who that would be at this point. There is a chance **Paul** could be nightkilled, in which case this will accomplish nothing, but it will also cost us nothing. Since we can’t predict what decision scum will make, let’s work on the assumption that he will not be nightkilled. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/959 "2009-05-08T23:07:36Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Since we can’t predict what decision scum will make, let’s work on the assumption that he will not be nightkilled. I predict that scum would debate an elaborate WIFOM If else then loop. And in the process narrow the choices down to Paul or Angel, leaving himself out of the choices. To use a term I haven’t used yet, Thingfish, \*\* You are pinging me. Bad.\*\* ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/960 "2009-05-08T23:20:15Z")
Sorry I haven’t been on for a couple of days: A deadline turned out to be a bit earlier than I had thought, and I didn’t have time to spend on the game. That’s done now, though, so I’m now trying to catch up. Expect more in however long it takes me to read this. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=47) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=49)