# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/961 "2009-05-09T00:46:49Z")
Wow, in all that time I took to catch up, nobody else posted? First things first, just to make it official, Replace Captain Pinkies I think **pede** already agreed to this, but just in case he needs more votes on it. Second, with **Meeko** and **special ed** having declared Mason (or the equivalent), we can at least be sure that they’re on the same side. It’s also consistent with **paulwhoisaghost** ’s observing that **ed** didn’t act. I’m not sure why **ed** claimed as early as he did (neither he nor **Meeko** was voted for at that time), but I can’t see a motivation for such an early claim for Town nor Scum, so I don’t think I can read too much into that. **paul** , a question for you (which you may have to clear up with **pede** ): If you were to successfully observe someone taking an action, how much would you learn (i.e., target of the action, what the action was, etc., or just whether the person took an action)? Finally, a rules question occurs to me: [color=green]When a non-Town faction uses the faction’s collective night power, is a member of the faction singled out to perform that action? That is to say, is there a designated killer and/or a designated sinfector? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/962 "2009-05-09T00:48:36Z")
gah, I’ve been typing too many links. Replace Captain Pinkies ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/963 "2009-05-09T01:23:10Z")
I had PrisonBreak and I am re organizing my Ipod Touch Apps. (Wish me luck) Im not sure why Ed felt he had to out me. But yes, we are both town masons. Frankly, I’m not sure why we had to claim at all. I was talking to him in the masonry, not that he checked over there before he outed me. ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/964 "2009-05-09T01:53:12Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Finally, a rules question occurs to me: > When a non-Town faction uses the faction’s collective night power, is a member of the faction singled out to perform that action? That is to say, is there a designated killer and/or a designated sinfector? Yes, there is. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/965 "2009-05-09T01:55:36Z")
I’ve just had a look at **Joey P** … Now, this could just be a difference in playing style, but I noticed that while Joey has a healthy post count, a lot of it is either noise or little remarks of minor helpfulness. That might just be the way he thinks, but it could be Scum offering up seemingly helpful but ultimately insubstantial information. Another point to consider is Joey’s vote for SpurGe on Day 1 (post #170): > [@Joey P](#): > > > [@SpuGe](#): > > > > I’m nothing if not a fan of bandwagons, and I don’t want to be the Sinner who casts the last stone, so… > > > > Execute AngeloftheNorth > > I’m not sure if this was a slip or just poorly worded, but you just called yourself a sinner, some I’m voting for you. > > Ostracize Spurious George Of all the justifications for voting, this has to be one of the weakest. By this stage their was a nice little bandwagon forming. I’m clutching at straws here, people. It is late in the Day and there are too few cases out there. At this rate, there is going to be a last minute frenzy that the scum will be able to slip into and manipulate. Someone, anyone, please come up with a case stronger than the ones I’m offering. ToDay has been mostly noise - it’s time to change that. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/966 "2009-05-09T02:29:40Z")
Allwalker: What are your takes on Thingfish or FreudianSllit? ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/967 "2009-05-09T02:44:58Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Allwalker: > > What are your takes on Thingfish or FreudianSllit? Already did FS - #931 Thingfish, I can’t get a reading on. Skimmed the posts, nothing jumped out at me. I’ll need to look closer though at a few more posters. As all of us should be doing. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/968 "2009-05-09T02:57:08Z")
> [@AllWalker](#): > > I’ve just had a look at **Joey P** … > > Now, this could just be a difference in playing style, but I noticed that while Joey has a healthy post count, a lot of it is either noise or little remarks of minor helpfulness. That might just be the way he thinks, but it could be Scum offering up seemingly helpful but ultimately insubstantial information. It’s more that I’m still new to the game then anything else, so I’m still very much learning. That and I get worried about sticking my foot in my mouth. For example Meeko was ‘pinging my scumdar’ and I was getting ready to do a WoW on him (or telling myself I would give it a shot, but he’s got ALOT of posts) and then he claims (well, get’s claimed by Ed). Paul, I wasn’t sure about one way of the other, then he goes and claims too. Now we’ve got the mess with him and Angel and I really don’t know what to think. I mean on the one hand it makes sense, OTOH, all Angel has to do is pray and and the applicable role will get the ‘correct’ results\*, but other seem to be okay with the plan, so I feel like I’m missing something and don’t speak up about it. \*applicable role…I assume there is a role that can reveal what another persons role is and I assume in that they would also be able to find out alignment and (im)purity status. right. Wait, come to think of it, how is everyone planning to verify this? If Angel decides to stay with the sinners, she could just be playing along with Paul, right (I mean if Paul is a sinner instead of town)? See then I go and WiFoM myself. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/969 "2009-05-09T03:29:35Z")
Do a WoW on me? ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/970 "2009-05-09T03:34:25Z")
What is the average Out of game duration for a complete in game day night cycle? We are going an out of game week per 1 in game day. Correct? I would assume, that the information goes faster, on games with shorter durations. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/971 "2009-05-09T03:36:38Z")
One week per Night/Day cycle is pretty standard. Towards the end the mod sometimes shortens the schedule because there are fewer players left. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/972 "2009-05-09T03:38:21Z")
WoW=Wall Of Words, basically an analysis of all your posts. [Here’s one style](http://giraffeboards.com/showpost.php?p=39275&postcount=103) Usually each line contains a link the the relevant post so the reader can double check what was actually written against how it was paraphrased. There’s other styles, this was just the first one I found, but it gives you the basic idea. What made me not want to do it was the fact that you have sooo many posts and sooo many of them are questions that then have answers. Answers that would need to be included in the WoW (IMO) because often times you asked more questions later that were either similar or followup questions based on the answers you received. But claiming busybody makes you 95% confirmed town, so I’m not sure there’s a good reason to do it now. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/973 "2009-05-09T03:39:26Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > We hate Paul’s powers, because it Sinfects. We could Claim that the POWERS are anti town. > > Yet, they DO offer protection from Blackhearts. > > So, I still think it is fair to debate Paul’s side, but I don’t think that his side could be Blackheart. Not all of his powers sinfect. And, if he’s lying, he could be on any side or on his own. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/974 "2009-05-09T03:40:33Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Second, with **Meeko** and **special ed** having declared Mason (or the equivalent), we can at least be sure that they’re on the same side. It’s also consistent with **paulwhoisaghost** ’s observing that **ed** didn’t act. I’m not sure why **ed** claimed as early as he did (neither he nor **Meeko** was voted for at that time), but I can’t see a motivation for such an early claim for Town nor Scum, so I don’t think I can read too much into that. I decided unilaterally to claim in an attempt to bring meeko under control. I didn’t want us focusing on his different behavior as potentially Scummy. His ideas are different and were causing what I felt was a distraction to finding scum. At this point, we can read them in a different light. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/975 "2009-05-09T03:41:38Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > I had PrisonBreak and I am re organizing my Ipod Touch Apps. (Wish me luck) > > Im not sure why Ed felt he had to out me. But yes, we are both town masons. > > Frankly, I’m not sure why we had to claim at all. > > I was talking to him in the masonry, not that he checked over there before he outed me. I can’t check that site from work. Our filter thinks that website contains pornographic material. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/976 "2009-05-09T04:38:56Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > WoW=Wall Of Words, basically an analysis of all your posts. I know we are all lost in the mechanics of a mafia game. We are further lost in the particulars of THIS mafia game. I am still further lost on how to play Mafia at all, this being my first game. Using tactics from Haggle have gotten me further lost. It also doesn’t help that my brain still hasn’t gotten key concepts of this game. – It could be (Neutral comment here) just the group I am playing with reacting to me. That being said, I look forward to playing with peekercpa, if I ever can. We should sell tickets to that thing. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/977 "2009-05-09T04:50:44Z")
Quoth **Joey P** : > [@](#): > > Wait, come to think of it, how is everyone planning to verify this? If Angel decides to stay with the sinners, she could just be playing along with Paul, right (I mean if Paul is a sinner instead of town)? Assuming that **paul** is Town, and that he survives long enough to do so, he should try to cleanse **Angel**. And assuming that **Angel** is Town, she should honestly say whether she was cleansed. If, toMorrow morning, Angel says that she was not cleansed, then either she or **paul** is lying, and we know that at least one of them is a Scum, which is extremely useful information for Town. If she says that she was cleansed, then either she’s lying, or **paul** really does have a Sin-cleansing power, which would be strong evidence that he’s Town (the Blackhearts could theoretically have a Sin-cleansing power, but it seems unlikely). This is not quite as valuable information for Town, but it’s still pretty good. The upshot is, if we just wait and see there, one way or another, we’ll get valuable information. Quoth **special ed** : > [@](#): > > I decided unilaterally to claim in an attempt to bring meeko under control. I didn’t want us focusing on his different behavior as potentially Scummy. His ideas are different and were causing what I felt was a distraction to finding scum. At this point, we can read them in a different light. OK, that’s probably not how I’d have played it, but I can see the sense in that. Incidentally, if one of you should happen to die, I think it would probably be a good idea to out another Busybody (if there is one): Your power isn’t of any use if you can’t verify each other, so we don’t want all of the known busybodies to be killed. One other thing that I’ve been mulling over… Both yesterDay’s lynch of **Spurious George** and the flurry of votes this Morning for **paulwhoisaghost** seem kind of bandwaggony, to me, which makes me suspicious of the voters in both (and yes, I know that I started both). But I don’t think I can read too much into that until I have more evidence of **paul** ’s innocence-- I’m still suspicious of him, too. If, toMorrow, we have evidence in favor of **paul** , I think that might be a basis for a vote, but unfortunately, that doesn’t help us yet toDay. ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/978 "2009-05-09T05:09:16Z")
\*\*What prevents scum from ganging up and running the table on a Lynch? Then (obviously) running the table on their NK ? \*\* Alternately : What are the real Odds that Paul will make it through the night? ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/979 "2009-05-09T05:54:35Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > \*\*What prevents scum from ganging up and running the table on a Lynch? Then (obviously) running the table on their NK ? \*\* Subtlety. If the same group of people keep voting the same way, it becomes very obvious, very fast. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/980 "2009-05-09T13:24:25Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > What are the real Odds that Paul will make it through the night? somewhere between 0% and 100% [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=48) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=50)