# The Crimson Glyph (Werewolf/Mafia/Psychopath) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 24, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271 "2009-04-24T22:16:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/981 "2009-05-09T13:33:49Z")
> [@special\_ed](#): > > somewhere between 0% and 100% I don’t like those odds one bit. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Pinkies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d78d45/32.png) [@Captain\_Pinkies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Pinkies)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/982 "2009-05-09T14:04:57Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > gah, I’ve been typing too many links. > Replace Captain Pinkies WHY??? This board was down for me… I mean if you don’t want me to play… Fine… ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/983 "2009-05-09T14:10:18Z")
> [@Captain\_Pinkies](#): > > WHY??? This board was down for me… I mean if you don’t want me to play… Fine… You haven’t been on in 5 days. We thought you just forgot about us. If you’re going to play, then read up and pose, I’ll retract my replacement vote if you’ll play. **unreplace Captain Pinkies** um..if that makes sense ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/984 "2009-05-09T14:11:02Z")
> [@Captain\_Pinkies](#): > > WHY??? This board was down for me… I mean if you don’t want me to play… Fine… Down? For the past week? You haven’t said a thing all Day, and it ends in 2 hours. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/985 "2009-05-09T14:15:41Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Down? For the past week? You haven’t said a thing all Day, and it ends in 2 hours. I thought Days ended on Sunday in this game. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/986 "2009-05-09T14:17:47Z")
So they do. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/987 "2009-05-09T14:17:58Z")
> [@Rysto](#): > > Down? For the past week? You haven’t said a thing all Day, and it ends in 2 hours. Well, it’s 26 hours away, but Rysto is basically right anyway. Captain Pinkies, we all had access problems yesterday for a few hours, but why haven’t you been playing all Day? No reason to get offended about it…you are the one who hasn’t played. ---
**Author:** ![AllWalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/db5fbb/32.png) [@AllWalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AllWalker)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/988 "2009-05-09T14:21:41Z")
Geeze, I still haven’t voted. I may be afk for the next day, so I’ll vote now. I’m not really ready, but not voting would be the scummiest thing I can do… short of blowing up our gathering hall. If i get the chance I might change my vote. Let’s see… **Vote Joey P** I don’t know, but n00biness is not a good defense. If the WoW on Meeko fell through, then a different target would have made a better post than a “oh well, never mind” sort of response. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Pinkies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d78d45/32.png) [@Captain\_Pinkies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Pinkies)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/989 "2009-05-09T14:29:03Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Well, it’s 26 hours away, but Rysto is basically right anyway. > > Captain Pinkies, we all had access problems yesterday for a few hours, but why haven’t you been playing all Day? No reason to get offended about it…you are the one who hasn’t played. Sorry been reading the pages of posts… I have no excuse for my lack of checking the board other than, I knew I was forgetting something but could figure out what.. Anyway, not trying to be defensive… You are correct I am not the one partipating.. I’ve upped the board on my links list so that I can easliy get back here… I am finding this board format really hard to follow, but I’ll do my best… But weekend time is family time and I have limited over next 24 hours to actively play.. So if want to have me subbed out I understand… ---
**Author:** ![Meeko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e495f1/32.png) [@Meeko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meeko)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/990 "2009-05-09T15:07:11Z")
Unreplace Captain \*\* I won’t be back in until late tonight. \*\* Enjoy the Silence. Words are very, unnecessary, they can only cause harm. Or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![special\_ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@special\_ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/special_ed)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/991 "2009-05-09T15:16:57Z")
> [@Meeko](#): > > Unreplace Captain > \*\* > I won’t be back in until late tonight. \*\* > > Enjoy the Silence. Words are very, unnecessary, they can only cause harm. > > Or something like that. All I ever wanted All I ever needed Is here in my arms Words are very unnecessary They can only do harm They’re touring again IIRC ---
**Author:** ![AngeloftheNorth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelofthenorth/32/19559_2.png) [@AngeloftheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngeloftheNorth)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/992 "2009-05-09T15:34:49Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > It’s more that I’m still new to the game then anything else, so I’m still very much learning. That and I get worried about sticking my foot in my mouth. For example Meeko was ‘pinging my scumdar’ and I was getting ready to do a WoW on him (or telling myself I would give it a shot, but he’s got ALOT of posts) and then he claims (well, get’s claimed by Ed). Paul, I wasn’t sure about one way of the other, then he goes and claims too. Now we’ve got the mess with him and Angel and I really don’t know what to think. I mean on the one hand it makes sense, OTOH, all Angel has to do is pray and and the applicable role will get the ‘correct’ results\*, but other seem to be okay with the plan, so I feel like I’m missing something and don’t speak up about it. > > \*applicable role…I assume there is a role that can reveal what another persons role is and I assume in that they would also be able to find out alignment and (im)purity status. right. > Wait, come to think of it, how is everyone planning to verify this? If Angel decides to stay with the sinners, she could just be playing along with Paul, right (I mean if Paul is a sinner instead of town)? > > See then I go and WiFoM myself. Joey, I was wondering the same thing myself…what was I missing? I don’t understand how Paul can verify me when presumably when I’m done praying, I’ll be disinfected anyway? Maybe my PM will be different depending on whether prayer cures me or Paul cures me? I’d also like to point out that I have no idea whether Paul is a sinner or not. While I’m praying, I haven’t been added to the to Sinner thread. I also have no indication of what would happen if I chose to embrace the sin instead. Indeed, I’m still not sure that there IS a Sinner thread. Note Pedescribe’s answer to my question about whether the original Sinners knew each other’s names and numbers. In fact, I’ve thought about this overnight and I think what it means is that we started the game with one Sinner only. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/993 "2009-05-09T15:37:53Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Joey, I was wondering the same thing myself…what was I missing? I don’t understand how Paul can verify me when presumably when I’m done praying, I’ll be disinfected anyway? Well then, I’m glad I wasn’t alone on that. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/994 "2009-05-09T18:12:30Z")
> [@AngeloftheNorth](#): > > Joey, I was wondering the same thing myself…what was I missing? I don’t understand how Paul can verify me when presumably when I’m done praying, I’ll be disinfected anyway? If you are disinfected toMorrow, then obviously it’s Paul’s doing. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/995 "2009-05-09T18:15:18Z")
> [@](#): > > Joey, I was wondering the same thing myself…what was I missing? I don’t understand how Paul can verify me when presumably when I’m done praying, I’ll be disinfected anyway? It takes two nights of prayer, though, so without intervention from some power role, you wouldn’t be cleansed yet tonight. > [@](#): > > In fact, I’ve thought about this overnight and I think what it means is that we started the game with one Sinner only. Well, it can’t be ruled out, but I’m not sure that would make for a balanced game. What happens if the almost-random lynch on the first day had just happened to hit the sole Sinner, wiping out the entire faction in one swell foop? And as someone else pointed out earlier, one would expect Dimmsdell and Hester to both be on the same faction. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/996 "2009-05-09T18:29:37Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > It takes two nights of prayer, though, so without intervention from some power role, you wouldn’t be cleansed yet tonight. That makes sense. Is a third party going to verify this or is it going to be an honor system? Come to think of it, if everything goes as planned, it would basically make them masons, sorta. OTOH, we still haven’t completely ruled out Paul being scum. It unlikely, yes but giving scum the ability to desinfect would almost make them like an alpha scum. Yeah, I know I know, an investigator would still come up with scum (if he is) but he’s using his power power to ‘prove’ he’s town. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/997 "2009-05-09T18:40:24Z")
**Guys, I’m not sure I’m going to be able to keep up with the game…I’m already really far behind. I PMed pedescribe about being subbed out but he hasn’t gotten back to me.** ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/998 "2009-05-09T20:02:14Z")
> [@](#): > > That makes sense. Is a third party going to verify this or is it going to be an honor system? Come to think of it, if everything goes as planned, it would basically make them masons, sorta. We don’t even know if we have any third parties who _can_ verify it, and if we do, they might well consider that they have better uses for their actions. Besides, even if we did, who will guard the guardians? Maybe the guy who claims to be able to verify it is Scum, too. > [@](#): > > OTOH, we still haven’t completely ruled out Paul being scum. I haven’t completely ruled out anyone being scum other than myself, **Spurious George** , and **Telcontar**. All we can do is gather evidence and work with the best information we have, and that’s what this plan is aiming for, more evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/999 "2009-05-09T20:20:02Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > That makes sense. Is a third party going to verify this or is it going to be an honor system? Come to think of it, if everything goes as planned, it would basically make them masons, sorta. > > OTOH, we still haven’t completely ruled out Paul being scum. It unlikely, yes but giving scum the ability to desinfect would almost make them like an alpha scum. Yeah, I know I know, an investigator would still come up with scum (if he is) but he’s using his power power to ‘prove’ he’s town. The only way to rule out people being scum is by death, which is how we knew about Telcontar and Spurious George or through mason-type links. Special Ed and Meeko have claimed to be busybodies and town aligned. If we lynch one or if one gets NK’ed and the mod role reveal verifies their claim, then the other is verified as is anyone else that they claim as a busybody. Now, the paul and angel discussion has been discussed earlier. If he reports back tomorrow that he dis-sinfected Angel and Angel claims to still be sinfected then we lynch paul. If paul turns up town, the next day we lynch Angel. If he reports that he dis-sinfected Angel and Angel agrees, then they’re either both scum, or town, most likely. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271/1000 "2009-05-09T20:24:07Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Now, the paul and angel discussion has been discussed earlier. If he reports back tomorrow that he dis-sinfected Angel and Angel claims to still be sinfected then we lynch paul. If paul turns up town, the next day we lynch Angel. If he reports that he dis-sinfected Angel and Angel agrees, then they’re either both scum, or town, most likely. I got that, just don’t forget to take into consideration that Paul could desinfect Angel toNight and still be scum. This would be a great way to help make a town claim. I mentioned earlier that I felt his role was equally suited for scum or town. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=49) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-crimson-glyph-werewolf-mafia-psychopath/494271.md?page=51)